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RE: Destroying PCs remotely?
From: "JT" <ptourvi1 () twcny rr com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:58:51 -0400
-----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Shawn McMahon Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:26 AM To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Destroying PCs remotely? On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 11:03:03AM -0400, JT said:overreacting because he didn't even propose it as alaw....even though itwould seem he is having hearings on the matter. I wonderwhat the process is Yes, to anyone who hasn't read the news stories, and is working from third-hand information that they didn't read for comprehension, it would seem like he's having hearings on this matter.
Yeah, I remember that last Senator who made an "off the cuff remark" I believe he was forced to step down from his position. I read the news stories, that's why we are discussing this. It's been all over the news, seems a lot of people share my feelings.
For anybody actually following the story, it would seem like he made an off-the-cuff comment in a hearing on the more general matter.
Please see above and refer to my previous statement about past history.
exist until HE MADE IT UP!! Maybe you believe we live in arepublic, but asit stands, the government is controlled by big business andlobbying. Maybe Exactly which business put a gun to your head and made you vote for him? Or do you believe that they only do that to everybody else in the country, just not you?
Please reread and comprehend the above statement first. The business/lobby groups control him via campaign contributions and other money. Had I said big business controls the voting procedure, your comment may have made some sense. As it stands, it almost sounds like you are being obtuse to try and bolster your argument.
First off, your Ben Franklin quote isbackwards..second...the original quote I had no Ben Frankling quote. I had a Shawn McMahon quote. Feel free to use it.
Well Shawn, way to rip off Ben F. Yeah, you came up with that on your own. Whatever. BTW, your quote is still wrong anyways. I gotta say Ben Franklin was a smarter man :)
you're trying to use directly contradicts everythingfollowing it. Thecorrect quote is "He who would give up essential libertiesfor temporarysecurity shall have neither" Let me translate that for yacause it's aquote MY side uses to support our point anyways LOL- If we give up rights like the patriot act has us do in thehopes for sometemp. security, we will have neither. Get it?Wrong. The Patriot Act doesn't strip ESSENTIAL liberties for TEMPORARY security. It inconveniences liberties for permanent security.
Contradict yourself some more for me would you? Last email you said: "The Patriot Act amounts to short-term inconvenience for a few, that the many might live." So which is it Shawn, temp or permanent?!?!? By law, it's supposed to be temporary, hence the sunset clause that Hatch and others would like to revoke.
That means MORE laws, stripping away MORE RIGHTS, in thename of SECURITY,is USELESS and WILL NOT WORK.Franklin's entire adult life was spent writing laws to enhance security, at the expense of liberty. It's called "rule of law instead of anarchy". Temporarily keeping details of court-ordered wiretaps secret, which is the primary objection that has been leveled at the Patriot Act, isn't stripping essential liberty for temporary safety. It's all still court-controlled and overseen by the Legislative branch, just not made fully public as quickly. Oooooo, I'm so scared, Big Brother is keeping secrets from the enemy. The horror.
Again, you show you have no clue what you are talking about. That is not the primary objection with the patriot act at all. I've provided you with a link to a page full of issues. If you need more let me know, I'll gladly grab them from other sites as well.
If anything, it is likely to result in MORE oversight, and LESS abuse of power, because law enforcement will be less tempted to cheat instead of letting the bad guys find out what we're doing. Removing the freedom to yell "fire" in a crowded theater was a reduction in liberty in the name of security. I 100% support it. Live with it.
Yeah, yelling fire in a crowded theatre is the same. Again, whatever..Just cause you CAN make an analogy Shawn, doesn't mean it's correct OR relevant. I'm sorry, this is going to go downhill right here. I can't argue with someone who is so blatantly idiotic that they border on troll. The Patriot act has numerous problems. Maybe you should read more about the problems with it. http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism_militias/20011031_eff_usa_ patriot_analysis.php At any rate Shawn, keep spouting and contradicting yourself, it really strengthens your argument, either way..I'm done wasting my time on an obvious troll.
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- RE: Destroying PCs remotely?, (continued)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? Mike Tancsa (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 18)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? JT (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 18)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? JT (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 19)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? JT (Jun 19)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 19)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Benjamin Krueger (Jun 19)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Jeremiah Cornelius (Jun 19)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? JT (Jun 19)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 19)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? Rick Thompson (Jun 19)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? JT (Jun 19)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 19)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? JT (Jun 19)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Justin (Jun 19)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? JT (Jun 19)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 20)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? JT (Jun 20)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 20)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? Mike Tancsa (Jun 18)