RE: Destroying PCs remotely?

["JT" <ptourvi1 () twcny rr com>]

Again, let me know when you eradicate evil as you think these laws will
allow. You believe, by your own statements, that you can actually stop every
terrorist present and future and that one day, there will be no terrorists,
aka people who disagree and take things to an extreme. Good luck 

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> Shawn McMahon
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> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Destroying PCs remotely?
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>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 07:18:34PM -0400, JT said:
> > > Are you under the dElusion that there are an infinite 
> number of people
> > > capable and willing to perform large-scale terrorist acts?  If so,
> >
> > Yes I am, they are called babies, they then grow up and are 
> being trained by
> > age 12 to kill. You must think terrorism just started this 
> generation? You
> > do realize there were terrorists before you were born 
> right? They do happen
> > daily, just because they don't happen in the US does not 
> mean they don't
> > happen. You must think if you don't see it on the news, 
> it's not happening.
>
> I'm sorry, are you unfamiliar with the term large-scale?  Or are you
> just not reading these things at all before you reply to them?
>
> > It's generally agreed that the patriot act takes away too 
> many liberties so
> > I would not be debating that point at all. I believe the 
> debate after that
>
> Yes, everybody believes that, which is why it didn't get passed by a
> majority of both houses of Congress, and a majority of Americans don't
> support it in surveys.
>
> Oh, wait, it *DID* get passed by majorities in both houses, 
> and surveys
> *DO* show most Americans support it.  Yeah, that's general agreement.
>
> > is only whether or not you support them taking away our 
> rights under the
> > guise of security....and I know where you stand on that.
>
> Having any laws at all is taking away our rights under the guise of
> security.  Unless you're an anarchist, we differ only in degree here.
>
> > OK, then lets use your logic above, please explain why 
> there have been no
> > 9/11's in the past even without the patriot act.
>
> Mostly, due to the fact that the US prior to 1992 acted strongly to
> curtail these groups from developing to the point where they could
> afford something like this.  Between 1992 and 2000 the intelligence
> agencies got seriously undermined, both in terms of ability to surveil
> and ability to interdict.
>
> > More attackers? I thought we locked/killed them? You'll 
> note that they could
> > have SUCCESSFULLY CARRIED OUT AN ATTACK EVEN AFTER THE 
> PATRIOT ACT WAS
> > SIGNED, the airports are still insecure. Wow, we can kill 
> substabdard
>
> And yet, thanks in part to the Patriot Act, we foiled the 
> attempt to cut
> the cables on the Brooklyn Bridge during rush hour.  In any event, the
> fact that one particular piece of legislation does not in and 
> of itself
> entirely correct all the problems immediately does not in any way
> indicate that it does nothing to correct any of the problems.  As I've
> stated a number of times, and as you'd know if you'd read the goddamn
> thing, it addresses one of the major issues that everybody has been
> bitching about, with good reason; the fact that the CIA and 
> FBI couldn't
> share notes.  That alone would likely have stopped 9/11.
>
> > about. Please note how they still kill us also though. Also 
> please note it's
> > generally believed the people crashing the planes did not 
> have a connection
> > with the people we are now killing in record numbers.
>
> "generally believed" by whom?  The same folks who "generally believe"
> that UFOs are stealing our rural citizens to perform anal 
> probes?  Every
> time you believe something, you characterize it as "general belief".
>
>
> -- 
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