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Re: Destroying PCs remotely?
From: Shawn McMahon <smcmahon () eiv com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:26:14 -0400
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 11:03:03AM -0400, JT said:
overreacting because he didn't even propose it as a law....even though it would seem he is having hearings on the matter. I wonder what the process is
Yes, to anyone who hasn't read the news stories, and is working from third-hand information that they didn't read for comprehension, it would seem like he's having hearings on this matter. For anybody actually following the story, it would seem like he made an off-the-cuff comment in a hearing on the more general matter.
exist until HE MADE IT UP!! Maybe you believe we live in a republic, but as it stands, the government is controlled by big business and lobbying. Maybe
Exactly which business put a gun to your head and made you vote for him? Or do you believe that they only do that to everybody else in the country, just not you?
First off, your Ben Franklin quote is backwards..second...the original quote
I had no Ben Frankling quote. I had a Shawn McMahon quote. Feel free to use it.
you're trying to use directly contradicts everything following it. The correct quote is "He who would give up essential liberties for temporary security shall have neither" Let me translate that for ya cause it's a quote MY side uses to support our point anyways LOL- If we give up rights like the patriot act has us do in the hopes for some temp. security, we will have neither. Get it?
Wrong. The Patriot Act doesn't strip ESSENTIAL liberties for TEMPORARY security. It inconveniences liberties for permanent security.
That means MORE laws, stripping away MORE RIGHTS, in the name of SECURITY, is USELESS and WILL NOT WORK.
Franklin's entire adult life was spent writing laws to enhance security, at the expense of liberty. It's called "rule of law instead of anarchy". Temporarily keeping details of court-ordered wiretaps secret, which is the primary objection that has been leveled at the Patriot Act, isn't stripping essential liberty for temporary safety. It's all still court-controlled and overseen by the Legislative branch, just not made fully public as quickly. Oooooo, I'm so scared, Big Brother is keeping secrets from the enemy. The horror. If anything, it is likely to result in MORE oversight, and LESS abuse of power, because law enforcement will be less tempted to cheat instead of letting the bad guys find out what we're doing. Removing the freedom to yell "fire" in a crowded theater was a reduction in liberty in the name of security. I 100% support it. Live with it. -- Shawn McMahon | Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, EIV Consulting | that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any UNIX and Linux | hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure http://www.eiv.com| the survival and the success of liberty. - JFK
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- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? William D. Colburn (aka Schlake) (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Wes Zuber (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? ktabic (Jun 19)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? Mike Tancsa (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 18)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? JT (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 18)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? JT (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 19)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? JT (Jun 19)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 19)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Benjamin Krueger (Jun 19)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Jeremiah Cornelius (Jun 19)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? JT (Jun 19)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 19)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? Rick Thompson (Jun 19)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? JT (Jun 19)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 19)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? JT (Jun 19)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Justin (Jun 19)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? JT (Jun 19)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 18)