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RE: <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversialCisco Security Presentation
From: "Lyal Collins" <lyal.collins () key2it com au>
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:04:39 +1000
Ianal, but I think jurisdictions may have issues with receiving and using/profiting from stolen 'property', regardless of whether that property is an information/intangible asset or a tangible asset. In practical terms the information is 'published' as in available to a broad range of readers. Available != free to use without consequences in all possible circumstances. As to the rights and wrongs at the centre of this thread - let the discussions proceed! Lyal -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk] On Behalf Of J.A. Terranson Sent: Saturday, 30 July 2005 11:51 AM To: Jason Coombs Cc: Russell Smoak; full-disclosure () lists grok org uk; nanog () merit edu; fergdawg () netzero net Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversialCisco Security Presentation On Fri, 29 Jul 2005, Jason Coombs wrote: <cutting to the chase>
Now, if RC4 had never been used to create a product and had been kept as a trade secret, and that secret had been published, then it would not have become, automatically, an unencumbered algorithm that could be used by anyone with impunity. There being no way other than theft of trade secret for a third party to come to know the algorithm, had a court order been obtained to halt the spread of the secret the algorithm itself could very well have been kept as protectable intellectual property until such time as the company that enjoyed a commercial advantage through preservation of their RC4 trade secret had concluded the public distribution of a product that somebody else could have reverse engineered.
The problem here is essentially one of mass distribution. There are now *millions* of copies of these "secrets" in general circulation. Nobody can assert with a straight face that anything about Lynn's presentation is not completely and totally within the public view - and irretrievably so. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin () mfn org 0xBD4A95BF "A stock broker is someone who handles your money until its all gone." Diana Hubbard (of Scientology fame) _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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- Re: <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversial Cisco Security Presentation, (continued)
- Re: <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversial Cisco Security Presentation Tony Montana (Jul 29)
- Re: <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversial Cisco Security Presentation J.A. Terranson (Jul 29)
- Re: <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversial Cisco Security Presentation Jason Coombs (Jul 29)
- Re: <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversial Cisco Security Presentation J.A. Terranson (Jul 29)
- Re: <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversial Cisco Security Presentation Jason Coombs (Jul 29)
- Re: <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversial Cisco Security Presentation J.A. Terranson (Jul 29)
- Re: <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversial Cisco Security Presentation Jason Coombs (Jul 29)
- Re: <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversial Cisco Security Presentation J.A. Terranson (Jul 29)
- Re: <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversial Cisco Security Presentation Jason Coombs (Jul 29)
- Re: <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversial Cisco Security Presentation J.A. Terranson (Jul 29)
- RE: <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversialCisco Security Presentation Lyal Collins (Jul 29)
- Re: <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversial Cisco Security Presentation Frank Knobbe (Jul 29)
- Re: <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversial Cisco Security Presentation J.A. Terranson (Jul 29)
- Re: <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversial CiscoSecurity Presentation Georgi Guninski (Jul 30)
- Re: <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversialCiscoSecurity Presentation Geo. (Jul 30)
- Re: <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversial Cisco Security Presentation J.A. Terranson (Jul 29)