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Re: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry
From: "Marcus J. Ranum" <mjr () ranum com>
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:51:22 -0400
Paul Foster wrote:
My self-deception is that a refresher is always good, especially as I find us practitioners sometimes fall into patterns of thinking. Using firewall logs as an example, many practitioners fall into the habit of only reviewing what has been dropped/rejected.
That's a great case in point!! People who have been doing log analysis and understand log analysis have been saying for YEARS that you want to delete known events and examine the residuals, not search only for known problems. That's log analysis 101. I can assert that because, well, I _teach_ log analysis 101! :) Anton Chuvakin and I are (ahem!) even writing a book on the topic. :) So would it be more useful to you if some convicted pedophile or maybe a mass murderer told you "delete known events and examine the residuals when examining logs"? Does that carry more weight somehow, when you get good advice from unapologetic bad guys than from boring old industry grey-beards(*)?? Bill Murray's definitely a grey-beard and would probably tell you he'd been saying "delete known events and examine the residuals" around the time I was born. His advice, coming from a deeper expertise and long practice in positive problem-solving, is worth diamonds to mud compared to the advice of all the Mitnicks in the world. mjr. (* Now officially a computer security grey-beard; the mustache is starting to show flecks of white and it ain't cheese from my pizza!) _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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- Re: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Paul D. Robertson (Oct 29)
- Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Paul Foster (Oct 29)
- Re: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Marcus J. Ranum (Oct 29)
- Re: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Paul Foster (Oct 29)
- Re: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Marcus J. Ranum (Oct 29)
- RE: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry MHawkins (Oct 29)
- Re: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Paul Foster (Oct 29)
- RE: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Paul D. Robertson (Oct 29)
- Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Paul Foster (Oct 29)
- Re: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Marcus J. Ranum (Oct 29)
- Re: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Paul Foster (Oct 29)
- Re: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Marcus J. Ranum (Oct 29)
- Re: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Marcus J. Ranum (Oct 29)
- Re: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Marcus J. Ranum (Oct 29)
- Re: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Paul Foster (Oct 29)
- Re: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Paul D. Robertson (Oct 29)
- RE: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Eugene Kuznetsov (Oct 29)
- Re: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Mark Teicher (Oct 29)
- Re: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Mark Teicher (Oct 29)
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- RE: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Alan Holmes (Oct 30)