RE: Re: Ethics, morality, and mental retardation

["Ames, Neil" <NAmes () anteon com>]

Mr. Oquendo,
    I am concerned by your argument that a criminal should be able to profit from their crime instead of being forced 
to find another way to make a living.  Mr. Mitnik could make a living selling cars, for example.  I also think that you 
are off when describing Mr. Ranum as a one-trick pony.  I suspect that he would have been quite successful in other 
businesses (though I don't envision him selling cars--maybe raising trick ponies).  
    Your point about prison stats evades me, as I see a logical conclusion being that nobody should serve time in 
prison.  (I kind of agree with that, but with the presumption that no crime is committed.)  Also, is the point that the 
criminal has imposed a lifetime of pain on other people beyond your comprehension?  Where is ethics and morality when 
you make these arguments?  
    Oh, and what does the affliction of mental retardation have to do with ethics, morality, and this thread?  It seems 
insensitive toward others.  You also, by the way, seem *awfully* sensitive on the subject of rehabilitation of 
criminals.  (When's your next speaking engagement?)
 
 
Thank you,
 
Fritz
 

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From: firewall-wizards-admin () honor icsalabs com on behalf of J. Oquendo
Sent: Fri 10/29/2004 2:26 PM
To: mjr () ranum com; firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com
Subject: [fw-wiz] Re: Ethics, morality, and mental retardation




> How? By paying clowns with criminal records $15,000/keynote to gloat
> about how clever they are? How exactly is that going to convince today's
> script kiddie that being  3l33t doesn't pay?

> mjr.

You're quite right Mr. Ranum, I say sentence everyone for the rest of
their lives to rot in a prison at your taxpayer expense. Why not there is
no such thing as reform. A lifetime sentence to walk in the park. Tennis,
volleyball, basketball, baseball, lifting weights, listening to music,
watching weekly videos, and sneaking of the compound when the guards
aren't looking, all at your expense.

Punish EVERYONE to a lifetime sentence. There is no reform for anyone
who's committed a crime, or who has been charged with one in society even
when found innocent. Their lives are shattered forever without apologies
or double takes. All that is remembered was the negativity. You seem to
forget without a criminally malicious "hacker" you would have no career,
nor business for that matter. While I respect your work from the
background to the utmost extreme, I find your view humorous and
disturbing. Did you ever consider that most of the black/greyhat community
keeps the security world on its toes with discoveries that put food on
your table?

Has it occurred to you that via someone's dabbling with the unthinkable
they've perhaps prevented something even more unthinkable? Money isn't
everything in this world. There are a lot of people who have paid their
dues in society whether you realize it or not, so your view of
sentencing someone to a lifetime of punishment is flawed, and ridiculous.
Have you not seen recent stats? You know the one that shows 1 in every 37
Americans has at some point gone through the "machines" of justice. Or did
that elude you in your quest to punish people forever?

Why not just make the US one big prison system you would be a nice
Warden. (http://www.bop.gov/hrmpg/hrmcurrent.html)

Stats on those 1 and 37 anyone?
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=2&u=/ap/20030817/ap_on_re_us/prison_experience_1

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