RE: Scare Me !!

["Joseph Judge" <joej () ultranet com>]

Heres the list ... (and knowing that you are near the DC
area, you'll understand):

- step 1: pick any fortune 500 that does gov't work
- step 2: let some of the spook types help define how 
"to deal with punks that try anything with us"

... there you go, you can pick out the fortune 500 
companies that do DoD type work. (look around 
Crystal City, Linthicum).  These folks meet force
with force. Thats just the way it works with them.

I have a friend that worked down there ... talked about
a friend of his that would cover his mouth when he talked
with you. He often would talk w/o looking right at you.
Occasionally, he'd start moving his lips like he was 
talking. --- I guess its the lip readers that he was
fooling.

Sure - its funny to us. But you have to agree, there
are folks like that. There are ex-higher-level folks
from the DoD / NSA / etc working at these decision levels
in the Fortune 500.

I can imagine it ... and I mentioned in my previous email
about the financial services (institutional) company 
that I'm in the 4th of a 6-8 wk engagement with. They just
removed the strike back (more like an "annoy back" mechanism).

        - joe

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcus J. Ranum [mailto:mjr () nfr net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 10:54 PM
> To: Joseph Judge; firewall-wizards () nfr net
> Subject: RE: Scare Me !!
>
>
> > supporting anecdotes:
> > - 102 of Fortune 500 have Internet "strike-back" capabilities
>
> Name 5.
> No, name 3.
>
> I can't imagine that the legal departments of a single FORTUNE 500
> firm would be so negligent as to bless such activity. Nor can
> I imagine that anyone with a reasonable security background would
> be so stupid. The only place that I've seen that (never at a
> customer site) was in a particular hype-ridden article that was
> promulgated based on an interview with a well-known industry
> hypester.
>
> > - the terrorists that hit the Lockerbie flight targetted that exact
> > flight due to the larger numbers of what appeared to be US govt folks
> > as discovered from hacking into a Saaber ticketing system
>
> Can you document this or provide a pointer to where any
> reputable source has backed up such a claim?
>
> Sounds like you've been reading "Information Warfare" or
> Tom Clancy's "NetFarce" books, Joe... Don't give in to the
> Disinformation of the dark side of The Force, Joe...
>
> mjr.
> --
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