Re: University credentials used by third parties

[Ozzie Paez <ozpaez () SPRYNET COM>]

Paul,

I remember having a discussion with a senior executive at a telecom and
asking why they paid such insane rates for kids who had little or no
experience and how they could possibly justify it when things went bad - I
still remember the answer - If you hire a bunch of people at very expensive
rates, then you own their failure times ten.  No one would be willing to go
up the chain and say that they spent so much money on people with little
experience, who in turn produced much less than expected.  As a result,
whatever they produced was 'Golden' - I don't know if that was the reality
elsewhere, but it left me wondering about how well these companies were
being led and managed.

Ozzie Paez

SSE/SAIC

303-332-5363

 

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I used to hear it about the Big 8:

 

Arthur Andersen - Snow White

Seven Dwarves:

Price Waterhouse

Coopers & Lybrand

Arthur Young

Ernst & Whinney

Deloitte, Haskins, and Sells

Touche Ross

Peat, Marwick, Mitchell

 

The scary thing is I can remember all the names. I worked for Andersen in
the early 80s after competing graduate school. One of the British partners
at the time, who was leaving to go back to academia, told me the following:
"We hire all these college graduates with no real world experience. The
really good ones are snapped up by our clients. The really bad ones we get
rid of. The really mediocre ones.they make Partner."

 

Paul

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Paul L. Kendall, CGEIT, CHP, CHSS, CHS-III, DHS-CVI, CISM, CISSP, CSSLP

PCI Qualified Security Assessor

Senior Consultant
Accudata Systems, Inc.

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of Kieper, David
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [SECURITY] University credentials used by third parties

 

Anyone one remember the "snow white and the seven dwarfs" in reference to
computer companies back in the 60's and 70's:

 

In the late 60's, IBM was snow white, and seven dwarfs were Burroughs, NCR,
Univac, Honeywell, Control Data Corporation, RCA, and GE.  Later "dwarfs"
were Xerox and DEC in the 70's.  Wang came after that.

 

I still have a 8 Kbit core stack module from a GE system as well as core
memories and a few cpu modules from Xerox Sigma systems. Xerox Sigma front
panel (full of switches and lights) was just too big to keep around, so that
went in the junk years ago.  Still bring it out the old stuff for the
"younger" staff to see what it was like in the 70's.  

 

Ah yes, the good old days when a cpu was a few hundred 6" x 8" modules, in
three large cabinets with miles of wire wrapped backplanes, IC can
transistors for high speed registers, and (later) basic IC logic gates on
sixteen pin chips.  Troubleshooting tools were an oscilloscope, rubber
mallet or vibration tool, wire wrap tool, and a soldering gun/soldapult.
For every problem you were trying to fix, you created and resolved at least
one other.  System gave off enough RF interference that you could tell if a
diagnostic was failing by turning on a radio to just about any frequency and
listening for changes in the static noise (that also drowned out most radio
station signals within 20 feet of it).

 

Regards,

 

David Kieper                                         

Manager, Network and Infrastructure Services

Information Technology Security Officer

Information Services Division

University of Wisconsin - Green Bay                               office:
(920) 465-2238

2420 Nicolet Drive
fax:      (920) 465-2864

Green Bay, WI  54311-7001   USA                                  email:
kieperd () uwgb edu