RE: Free access to measurement network

[<timrutherford () c4 net>]

The problem lies in the contracts that the big providers make the municipalities sign.  Basically says that the 
incumbent cable provider cannot be ousted without breach of contract.   The towns all sign because their only other 
choice is to roll out their own infrastructure which very few see the real value in. 

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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 11:05 AM
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Subject: Re: Free access to measurement network

BTW: There are no government-enforced monopolies anywhere in the US, aside from possibly Native American reservations. 




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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Edwin Pers" <EPers () ansencorp com>
To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net>
Cc: nanog () nanog org
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 10:03:52 AM
Subject: RE: Free access to measurement network 

Yes, the fact that both the city I work in and the town I live in have local govt-enforced monopolies reinforces the 
statement that I've (and all the other people near me) been voting with our collective wallets this entire time 

-----Original Message-----
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:23 AM
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Subject: Re: Free access to measurement network 

It's a consumer thing. If consumers wanted more options, they would be supporting those options with their wallets. 
They don't. 




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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

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From: "Max Tulyev" <maxtul () netassist ua>
To: nanog () nanog org
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 4:43:54 AM
Subject: Re: Free access to measurement network 

So for my point of view, better solution is to push some law that ease access to the buildings for ISPs. 

15.12.17 19:40, valdis.kletnieks () vt edu пише: 
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 07:47:42 -0500, Dovid Bender said: 
> > What kind of internet are these devices on? With Net Neutrality gone 
> > here in the US it would be a good way to measure certain services 
> > such as SIP to see which ISP's if any are tampering with packets.
>
> Given previous history, the answer will probably be "most of them". 
>
> "The results are not inspiring. More than 129 million people are 
> limited to a single provider for broadband Internet access using the 
> FCC definition of 25 Mbps download and 3 Mbps upload. Out of those 129 
> million Americans, about 52 million must obtain Internet access from a 
> company that has violated network neutrality protections in the past and continues to undermine the policy today.
>
> In locations where subscribers have the benefit of limited 
> competition, the situation isn't much better. Among the 146 million 
> Americans with the ability to choose between two providers, 48 million 
> Americans must choose between two companies that have a record of violating network neutrality."
>
> https://muninetworks.org/content/177-million-americans-harmed-net-neut
> rality