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RE: Free access to measurement network


From: "Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund () medline com>
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 17:40:38 +0000

It absolutely is the same issue.  Rural electrification and rural telecommunications are the same model, neither one 
happened without govt subsidies because the economics don't work any other way.  Same kind of engineering challenges 
when you build a large expensive distribution system for a very inexpensive product (kilowatts or megabits don't matter 
much).  The ROI is really difficult unless you have a captive audience.  That is why you don't see big CLEC build outs. 
 Why pay to put in a fiber cable with a 100 year lifecycle to a customer that might move and/or dump you in the next 
six months?  The churn will kill you.  You cannot amortize the cost of the infrastructure within any reasonable time 
frame.  Go ahead and tell a VC that your infrastructure has a 10 - 20 year ROI (if you are lucky) and see if you get 
laughed out of the room.  The WISPs and satellite guys are just like putting in windmills and solar panels to avoid the 
power company.  Some will do it but most don't like the inconvenience or complexity of it.  A fringe group at best.  
Telecom is even worse that power because there is a very good chance that your infrastructure will be obsolete or 
devalued before it pays for itself.  Look at how DWDM technologies murdered the dark fiber markets and oceanic fiber 
links.  Global Crossing ring a bell anyone?

In some municipalities the city owns the infrastructure now but they want that big payday from the award of the 
exclusive contract so there really is not much competition there.  In the "open" power market most cities find out that 
the most viable option turns out to be the incumbent power company that originally built out the infrastructure in the 
first place.  Chicago was a major failure of the open power market when all of the "competitors" had huge price swings 
and everyone went back to the incumbent Commonwealth Edison.  The real motivator was that the city really just wanted a 
way to get in between the customers and power company, they just could not resist the revenue.  Same thing in cable 
service where the city gets their share of the money for essentially locking out the competition.

Steven Naslund
Chicago IL





-----Original Message-----
From: UpTide . [mailto:UpTide () live com] 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 10:55 AM
To: Naslund, Steve
Subject: Re: Free access to measurement network

Sounds like the history of the electric companies.


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