Re: Free access to measurement network

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

Try looking to see what independents might be around the area you're looking at. See if any of them are willing to 
expand. Many of us are chomping at the bit to expand (with competitive products), but are having a hard time nailing 
people down. 

Independents are more likely to have good customer service, not want to violate net neutrality principals, etc. 
Basically, are more likely to be the company you actually want. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Lee" <ler762 () gmail com> 
To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net> 
Cc: nanog () nanog org 
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:46:19 PM 
Subject: Re: Free access to measurement network 

On 12/16/17, Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote: 
> That project was paid for by ARRA funds and ran out. 
>
> The FCC picked up the ball by expanding the scope of its 477 program. That 
> data is available directly on their site or via some sites like 
> broadbandnow.com 

I didn't know about that - thanks. But it just confirms what I 
thought; my choices are comcast & verizon. There is another 
possibility, but $350/mo for 10Mb/s with a 24 month contract is too 
steep. 

> There are also many service providers available that aren't filing because 
> either A) they don't know about it or B) government stuff. 
>
> My point was that consumers voted out thousands of independents by taking 
> service from incumbents instead of independents. Thousands have closed up 
> shop. Where independents are available, it's still tough getting customers 
> if the incumbents have a service that mostly works (over say 5 to 10 megs), 
> even if the independent offers service comparable to the incumbent's 
> advertisements. 

As a consumer, how much extra are you willing to pay for good service? 
Because I'm guessing that's about all a small independent can offer 
that's better than the local (mono|duo)poly. So while I think I get 
your point, I see it more as consumers voting with their wallets 
rather than voting out independents. 

Regards, 
Lee 

> ----- 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>
> The Brothers WISP 
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>
> From: "Lee" <ler762 () gmail com> 
> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net> 
> Cc: nanog () nanog org 
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 2:16:38 PM 
> Subject: Re: Free access to measurement network 
>
> On 12/16/17, Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote: 
> > It's a consumer thing. If consumers wanted more options, they would be 
> > supporting those options with their wallets. They don't. 
>
> As far as I know, my options for >50Mb/s are comcast and verizon. 
>
> https://www.broadbandmap.gov/ sez 
> Please note: National Broadband Map data is from June 30, 2014 and is 
> no longer being updated. 
>
> How do I find out what my other options are? 
>
> Thanks, 
> Lee 
>
> > ----- 
> > Mike Hammett 
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> >
> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
> >
> > The Brothers WISP 
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >
> > From: "Max Tulyev" <maxtul () netassist ua> 
> > To: nanog () nanog org 
> > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 4:43:54 AM 
> > Subject: Re: Free access to measurement network 
> >
> > So for my point of view, better solution is to push some law that ease 
> > access to the buildings for ISPs. 
> >
> > 15.12.17 19:40, valdis.kletnieks () vt edu пише: 
> > > On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 07:47:42 -0500, Dovid Bender said: 
> > > > What kind of internet are these devices on? With Net Neutrality gone 
> > > > here 
> > > >
> > > > in the US it would be a good way to measure certain services such as SIP 
> > > >
> > > > to 
> > > > see which ISP's if any are tampering with packets. 
> > >
> > > Given previous history, the answer will probably be "most of them". 
> > >
> > > "The results are not inspiring. More than 129 million people are limited 
> > >
> > > to a 
> > > single provider for broadband Internet access using the FCC definition of 
> > >
> > > 25 
> > > Mbps download and 3 Mbps upload. Out of those 129 million Americans, 
> > > about 
> > > 52 
> > > million must obtain Internet access from a company that has violated 
> > > network 
> > > neutrality protections in the past and continues to undermine the policy 
> > >
> > > today. 
> > >
> > > In locations where subscribers have the benefit of limited competition, 
> > > the 
> > > situation isn't much better. Among the 146 million Americans with the 
> > > ability 
> > > to choose between two providers, 48 million Americans must choose between 
> > >
> > > two 
> > > companies that have a record of violating network neutrality." 
> > >
> > > https://muninetworks.org/content/177-million-americans-harmed-net-neutrality