Re: Free access to measurement network

[Lee <ler762 () gmail com>]

On 12/16/17, Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:
> That project was paid for by ARRA funds and ran out.
>
> The FCC picked up the ball by expanding the scope of its 477 program. That
> data is available directly on their site or via some sites like
> broadbandnow.com

I didn't know about that - thanks.  But it just confirms what I
thought; my choices are comcast & verizon.   There is another
possibility, but $350/mo for 10Mb/s with a 24 month contract is too
steep.

> There are also many service providers available that aren't filing because
> either A) they don't know about it or B) government stuff.
>
> My point was that consumers voted out thousands of independents by taking
> service from incumbents instead of independents. Thousands have closed up
> shop. Where independents are available, it's still tough getting customers
> if the incumbents have a service that mostly works (over say 5 to 10 megs),
> even if the independent offers service comparable to the incumbent's
> advertisements.

As a consumer, how much extra are you willing to pay for good service?
 Because I'm guessing that's about all a small independent can offer
that's better than the local (mono|duo)poly.  So while I think I get
your point, I see it more as consumers voting with their wallets
rather than voting out independents.

Regards,
Lee

> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
>
> The Brothers WISP
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Lee" <ler762 () gmail com>
> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net>
> Cc: nanog () nanog org
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 2:16:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Free access to measurement network
>
> On 12/16/17, Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:
> > It's a consumer thing. If consumers wanted more options, they would be
> > supporting those options with their wallets. They don't.
>
> As far as I know, my options for >50Mb/s are comcast and verizon.
>
> https://www.broadbandmap.gov/ sez
> Please note: National Broadband Map data is from June 30, 2014 and is
> no longer being updated.
>
> How do I find out what my other options are?
>
> Thanks,
> Lee
>
> > -----
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >
> > Midwest Internet Exchange
> >
> > The Brothers WISP
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: "Max Tulyev" <maxtul () netassist ua>
> > To: nanog () nanog org
> > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 4:43:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: Free access to measurement network
> >
> > So for my point of view, better solution is to push some law that ease
> > access to the buildings for ISPs.
> >
> > 15.12.17 19:40, valdis.kletnieks () vt edu пише:
> > > On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 07:47:42 -0500, Dovid Bender said:
> > > > What kind of internet are these devices on? With Net Neutrality gone
> > > > here
> > > >
> > > > in the US it would be a good way to measure certain services such as SIP
> > > >
> > > > to
> > > > see which ISP's if any are tampering with packets.
> > >
> > > Given previous history, the answer will probably be "most of them".
> > >
> > > "The results are not inspiring. More than 129 million people are limited
> > >
> > > to a
> > > single provider for broadband Internet access using the FCC definition of
> > >
> > > 25
> > > Mbps download and 3 Mbps upload. Out of those 129 million Americans,
> > > about
> > > 52
> > > million must obtain Internet access from a company that has violated
> > > network
> > > neutrality protections in the past and continues to undermine the policy
> > >
> > > today.
> > >
> > > In locations where subscribers have the benefit of limited competition,
> > > the
> > > situation isn't much better. Among the 146 million Americans with the
> > > ability
> > > to choose between two providers, 48 million Americans must choose between
> > >
> > > two
> > > companies that have a record of violating network neutrality."
> > >
> > > https://muninetworks.org/content/177-million-americans-harmed-net-neutrality