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Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3)
From: Joe Greco <jgreco () ns sol net>
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 12:48:49 -0500 (CDT)
Blake Dunlap <ikiris () gmail com> wrote:
And the "unbalanced" peers / transit?
Surely it is too much to expect a service provider to actually provide service even if it is not entirely fair and balanced. It's not like, you know, anyone was paying them to provide a service ... [...rewind...] <Kevin_McElearney () cable comcast com> wrote:
This is a smart group.
Well, smart enough to at least try to see it for what it actually is. Telling us we're smart and then expecting us to swallow a load doesn't quite seem to work, judging from the last few responses you've had. Some of us are actually businesspeople, so we understand the issues from multiple dimensions. Including historical ones, where there are both examples of Monopolies Gone Wild! (Spring Break Edition!) and also Government Regulation Gone Overboard. If you'd like to say that you're trying to leverage as much revenue as possible by taking advantage of new trends (i.e. cord cutting) in a customer base that's at least partially without other reasonable options, while keeping investment costs as low as possible, well, then, we have the potential for an honest conversation. But if you're going to tell us about how you've managed to acquire transit customers, that feels like the start of a dishonest discussion because basically most of us here wouldn't buy transit from a cable company unless it was the only available option, or there was some other distorting reason - such as congestion - that caused such an arrangement to be needed. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.
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- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) McElearney, Kevin (May 15)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Jared Mauch (May 15)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) McElearney, Kevin (May 15)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Blake Dunlap (May 15)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Joe Greco (May 15)
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- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Livingood, Jason (May 16)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Vinny Abello (May 16)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Christopher Morrow (May 16)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Livingood, Jason (May 16)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) bas (May 18)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Joe Greco (May 15)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Ryan Brooks (May 15)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Paul Ferguson (May 15)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Owen DeLong (May 15)