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Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3)


From: Jared Mauch <jared () puck nether net>
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 12:01:34 -0400


On May 15, 2014, at 11:50 AM, McElearney, Kevin <Kevin_McElearney () cable comcast com> wrote:

There is no gaming on measurements and disputes are isolated and temporary with issues not unique over the history of 
the internet.  I think all the same rhetorical quotes continue to be reused


Kevin,

in the past most issues were transient for a few months as both sides got complaints, but while at RIPE earlier this 
week someone commented to me: there's no one provider you can buy access from to get a packet-loss free connection to 
all their other business partners/customers.  This hurts the entire marketplace when there is persistent congestion.

Some of these issues are related to (as Craig called them) "Hypergiants" (OTT) but others are due to providers having 
poor capital models so they don't have "budget" for upgrading unless someone pays for that upgrade, vs seeing their 
existing customer base as that source for the capital.

As an engineer, I'm hopeful that those responsible for budgeting will do the right thing.  As a greedy capitalist, 
please pay me more $$$.  It does feel a bit like tic-tac-toe with zero players in wargames though, the only way to win 
is to not play [games].

- Jared


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