Re: RE: present day admin skills

["R. DuFresne" <dufresne () sysinfo com>]

Darren,

theres a kid in Indai that just achineved a milestone in the CISSP camp,
being the youngest ever to get the certification, and already having the
required 3 years experince on the job, he was either 14 or 16 I believe,
and if I do recall correctly was 14.  So folks are I guess in some places
in fact paying for this skilled workforce!

Thanks,

Ron DuFresne

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Darren Reed wrote:

> [...]
> > Now, tell me this makes folks comfy with the skills of the persons that the
> > current IT industry has been hiring for the past 10-20 years?  Tell me that
> > it really requires a senior level admin to know the easy way to do the tasks
> > outlined above rather then a mid-level or lower level admin to do such
> > things, when I can go to any #linux channel on any irc server and find 12
> > year olds that know these commands, and know them well or at least parse
> > this info from the man page or their copy of Unix In A Nutshell. this bode
> > well for the future,  but it remains a solid issue today. 
>
> So we've got 12yr olds doing system admin and software development being
> done in the cheap labour camps in India (yes, this is an exageration, of
> sorts).  What % of the IT workforce is now redundant (or about to get a
> huge pay cut) ?
>
> Well, for one thing, who is going to teach the 12yr olds?  You can't have
> them "learning" when something strange happens on your mission critical
> database, just as its not very helpful if a critical bug fix in a mission
> critical application has a turnaround time of > 12 hours because of time
> zone problems.
>
> Someone who's spent 10-20 years in the IT workplace doing system admin is
> more likely to know the nuances of which commands to run in what order when
> your NIS+ client/servers are having authentication problems or that, be able
> to offer suggestions about planning upgrades, etc.
>
> I think until you've had to deal with users', any claim of system
> administration skills must remain suspect, no matter how many systems
> of your own you have at home to hack on.  I'd exclude friends from that
> category too.  When you have real users who make requests, manangement
> that makes demands and have to deal with those, then you're a system
> administrator.  At that point knowing which commands to use is just part
> of the problem solving which is part of daily life as a system admin and
> so being a 12yr old who just happens to have memorized various man pages
> doesn't really cut it any more.
>
> Darren
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