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Re: The home user problem returns
From: Mason Schmitt <mason () schmitt ca>
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 11:25:58 -0700
Marcus J. Ranum wrote:
ISPs have a completely different place in the security stack - your job is to carry goodness and badness;
I agree that the ISP's place in the security stack is different than that of businesses and government. However, I don't think our job is to carry badness. As a major choke point between thousands (in our case) or millions (the big ones) of home users and the rest of the net, I think ISPs absolutely should be doing whatever possible to restrict badness on their networks. They have the visibility necessary to do the job and they have the means to at least offer some basic protection. The fact that ISPs are now seeing enough pressure (from customers, RBLs, and worm/bot load on their networks) that they are starting to react, is encouraging. Comcast, once the worlds greatest source of spam is now working toward a full outbound port 25 block and has just made available, to all of their customers, a McAfee software bundle that has an antivirus app and personal firewall. I don't think it's a great solution (probably marketing driven), but certainly far better than what they had before. as you point out, your end
users (who are idiots) will resent your attempts to make things better for them.
I see my job as trying to provide as consistent and unencumbered an experience as possible for our customers. Right now, spam, bots, and #!$%ing spyware are getting in my way of doing that. I don't like the fact that at the onset of each new worm, that I still have to contact people and shut them down. I don't like the fact that customers phone complaining that our service is slow and when they bring their computer into our shop we find a massive spyware infestation (the current record btw is 5300). As a result, we are willing to try anything that is likely to gain us some ground. Right now one of the projects that we have that is working really well is having customers bring in their computer when they sign up. We give the PC a thorough enema and send it back out with free antivirus and antispyware, windows updates turned on and the XP firewall enabled. Twice a year we run a spring cleanup and a fall tune-up which again goes through the enema process for $29. We're fairly confident that this program is making a big dent in the number of really vulnerable systems out there. Our goal is to severely reduce the number of infections on our network so that our customers can have a consistent and hassle free experience on the net. I'd like to see all ISPs adopt that stance. Sorry. Just realised this looks a whole lot like a sales pitch... -- Mason _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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