Re: Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...?

["J. Hellenthal via NANOG" <nanog () nanog org>]

Can we end this troll here

-- 
 J. Hellenthal

The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.

> On Mar 20, 2021, at 20:48, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke () gmail com> wrote:
>
> 
> It's one thing to use a GUI tool when it's convenient and quick. I think anyone that's ever experienced setting up a 
> Unifi controller would probably prefer provisioning a new 802.11ac AP from the GUI rather than doing it manually at a 
> command line. 
>
> But it's another thing to consider that we have a whole new generation of people who don't know and don't care what's 
> going underneath the GUI and might not be able to do anything with the OS running on bare metal, if they have to. 
>
> If we intend to abstract away configuring devices to a GUI level only and not care about what's going on under the 
> hood, then it's time for everyone to just run out and renew their MCSE certifications and buy Meraki subscriptions.
>
>
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> > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 6:35 PM David Siegel <arizonagull () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> > ...not to mention that all mature networks are moving more towards GUI front ends for their automated network.  As 
> > the complexity of a network increases, CLI access becomes considerably more risky.
> >
> > The idea that "real engineers use the CLI" is dinosaur thinking that will eventually land those with that philosophy 
> > out of a job.  Just my personal $.02 (though I'm certainly not alone in my opinion).
> >
> > But I'd like to reiterate that the board's goal with modernization is not to alienate anyone from the existing 
> > community by forcing them into a web-interface.  Discourse is under evaluation, and if it doesn't accomplish the 
> > goal we'll try something else or build our own tool.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 6:52 PM Matthew Petach <mpetach () netflight com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 5:13 PM scott <surfer () mauigateway com> wrote:
> > > [...] 
> > > >  Of course, one would 
> > > > not find an HTTP GUI on the bigger networks dealt with on this list; 
> > > > only on the tiny networks.  So they're beginning learners and are, of 
> > > > course, welcome.  They will lean a lot, just as I did in the early days 
> > > > and do every day now days.
> > > [...] 
> > > > scott
> > >
> > > Let's see...
> > > Google: Gmail
> > > Microsoft: Hotmail/Outlook/Office365
> > > Yahoo/VerizonMedia: Yahoo Mail
> > >
> > > I'd have to say, there's some pretty big networks on this list that 
> > > use HTTP GUIs for their email.
> > >
> > > Of course, you might be big enough that you look down on the 
> > > networks of Google, Microsoft, and VZM as "tiny networks" -- in 
> > > which case, you're definitely entitled to your opinion, as all 8000
> > > pound gorillas that look down on the puny 800 lb gorillas are.  ;)
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >