Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality

[Steve Clark <sclark () netwolves com>]

Scott,

Maybe if it the upstream bandwidth was there would be more applications to use it. I know it is a real
pain to upload pics to Facebook, etc on my 1mbs uplink, or move things to work across my VPN.

Steve

On 02/27/2015 02:30 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
> Daniel,
>
> Well, I wouldn't call using the mean a "myth", after all understanding most
> customer behavior is what we all have to build our business cases around.
> If we throw out what customers use today and simply take a build it and
> they will come approach then I suspect there would fewer of us in this
> business.
>
> Even when we look at anomalous users we don't see symmetrical usage, ie top
> 10% of uploaders.  We also see less contended seconds on their upstream
> than we do on the downstream.  These observations are based on ~500k
> residential and business subscribers across North America using FTTH
> (mostly GPON), DOCSIS cable modems, and various flavors of DSL.
>
>
> Scott Helms
> Vice President of Technology
> ZCorum
> (678) 507-5000
> --------------------------------
> http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
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>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Daniel Taylor <dtaylor () vocalabs com> wrote:
>
> > But by this you are buying into the myth of the mean.
> >
> > It isn't that most, or even many, people would take advantage of equal
> > upstream bandwidth, but that the few who would need to take extra measures
> > unrelated to the generation of that content to be able to do so.
> >
> > Given symmetrical provisioning, no extra measures need to be taken when
> > that 10 year old down the street turns out to be a master musician.
> >
> > On 02/27/2015 11:59 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
> >
> > > This is true in our measurements today, even when subscribers are given
> > > symmetrical connections.  It might change at some point in the future,
> > > especially when widespread IPv6 lets us get rid of NAT as a de facto
> > > deployment reality.
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott Helms
> > > Vice President of Technology
> > > ZCorum
> > > (678) 507-5000
> > > --------------------------------
> > > http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
> > > --------------------------------
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Naslund, Steve <SNaslund () medline com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >   How about this?  Show me 10 users in the average neighborhood creating
> > > > content at 5 mbps....Period.  Only realistic app I see is home
> > > > surveillance
> > > > but I don't think you want everyone accessing that anyway.  The truth is
> > > > that the average user does not create content that anyone needs to see.
> > > > This has not changed throughout the ages, the ratio of authors to
> > > > readers,
> > > > artists to art lovers, musicians to music lovers, YouTube cat video
> > > > creator
> > > > to cat video lovers, has never been a many to many relationship.
> > > >
> > > > On 2015-02-27 12:13, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Consider a group of 10 users, who all create new content.  If each one
> > > > > creates at a constant rate of 5 mbits, they need 5 up.  But to
> > > > > download all the new content from the other 9, they need close to 50
> > > > down.
> > > >
> > > > > And when you expand to several billion people creating new content,
> > > > > you need a *huge* pipe down.
> > > > Steven Naslund
> > > > Chicago IL
> > --
> > Daniel Taylor          VP Operations            Vocal Laboratories, Inc.
> > dtaylor () vocalabs com   http://www.vocalabs.com/            (612)235-5711


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