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Replacing Copper With Fiber, er, FiOS (was Re: Muni Fiber and Politics)
From: Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com>
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 21:53:36 -0400 (EDT)
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From: "Rich Kulawiec" <rsk () gsp org>
That's the problem. Copper plant is clearly not the optimal solution for data communication, but when you really NEED a voice call to go through -- say, when a major hurricane moves up the coast, taking out all kinds of infrastructure as it goes -- it gives you the best chance. And if that phone call's content is something like "the water is rising, we need to be evac'd NOW", then you'd probably want that best chance. Well, if it's as well-maintained as it once was. Say what you want about the old Ma Bell, but they overengineered the hell out of everything from CO's to handsets, and that effort saved lives.
I have seen footage of a 308 rifle bullet going through the network of a 500 phone... which continued working.
Verizon Tells Some Sandy Victims They'll Never Get DSL Back As Company Continues Push Toward Killing Off Copper http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Verizon-Tells-Some-Sandy-Victims-Theyll-Never-Get-DSL-Back-123612
Public Service Commission Orders Verizon To Cough Up Cost Data On Its New York Copper Lines https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131209/13575325508/public-service-commission-orders-verizon-to-cough-up-cost-data-its-new-york-copper-lines.shtml Verizon Responds To Freedom Of Information Request With Hundred Of Fully Redacted Pages https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131030/16250525075/verizon-responds-to-freedom-information-request-with-hundred-fully-redacted-pages.shtml
There's a messier problem here, that I don't see much coverage of (so perhaps I heard it wrong): Is not Verizon trying to replace *regulated* ILEC copper with *unregulated* FiOS VoF? Isn't that pulling a pretty fast one? This came up in the "when we install FiOS, we're physically removing all your copper demarcs (even if they have active calls on them)" thing, too, but still not much outrage. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra () baylink com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
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- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics, (continued)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Gary Buhrmaster (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Owen DeLong (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Bruce H McIntosh (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics John Osmon (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Chris Boyd (Jul 21)
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- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Larry Sheldon (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Constantine A. Murenin (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jima (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Rich Kulawiec (Jul 21)
- Replacing Copper With Fiber, er, FiOS (was Re: Muni Fiber and Politics) Jay Ashworth (Jul 21)
- Re: Replacing Copper With Fiber, er, FiOS (was Re: Muni Fiber and Politics) Mike. (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics William Herrin (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Gary Buhrmaster (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics William Herrin (Jul 21)