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Re: Muni Fiber and Politics
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org>
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 20:58:28 -0400
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 08:56:41PM +0000, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
I live in 07874. Out here, only 50 miles from New York City, we have a problem.
You also have another problem, which I'll get to in a moment.
Verizon's network in this area is older than most people who are subscribed to this list. The copper is literally falling off the telephone poles, and in conversations with linemen, they are instructed to effectuate repairs in the cheapest manner possible (band-aid). In fact, in many cases, they offer to customers to replace their service with wireless rather than fix the wireline.
That's the problem. Copper plant is clearly not the optimal solution for data communication, but when you really NEED a voice call to go through -- say, when a major hurricane moves up the coast, taking out all kinds of infrastructure as it goes -- it gives you the best chance. And if that phone call's content is something like "the water is rising, we need to be evac'd NOW", then you'd probably want that best chance. Well, if it's as well-maintained as it once was. Say what you want about the old Ma Bell, but they overengineered the hell out of everything from CO's to handsets, and that effort saved lives. Now? Not so much: Verizon Tells Some Sandy Victims They'll Never Get DSL Back As Company Continues Push Toward Killing Off Copper http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Verizon-Tells-Some-Sandy-Victims-Theyll-Never-Get-DSL-Back-123612 Verizon Tells More Sandy Victims They'll Never See DSL Repaired Verizon Uses Storm Cover as Opportunity to Hang Up on Users http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/124166 Sandy Victims Continue to Complain Verizon Hung Up on Them http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/126235 Verizon on Killing DSL: But..But..Sandy Was SAD! Company Dodges Concerns About Failure in Sandy Regions http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/124486 Public Service Commission Orders Verizon To Cough Up Cost Data On Its New York Copper Lines https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131209/13575325508/public-service-commission-orders-verizon-to-cough-up-cost-data-its-new-york-copper-lines.shtml Verizon Responds To Freedom Of Information Request With Hundred Of Fully Redacted Pages https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131030/16250525075/verizon-responds-to-freedom-information-request-with-hundred-fully-redacted-pages.shtml ---rsk
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- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics, (continued)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics John Osmon (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Gary Buhrmaster (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Owen DeLong (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Bruce H McIntosh (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics John Osmon (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Chris Boyd (Jul 21)
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- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Larry Sheldon (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Constantine A. Murenin (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jima (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Rich Kulawiec (Jul 21)
- Replacing Copper With Fiber, er, FiOS (was Re: Muni Fiber and Politics) Jay Ashworth (Jul 21)
- Re: Replacing Copper With Fiber, er, FiOS (was Re: Muni Fiber and Politics) Mike. (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics William Herrin (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Gary Buhrmaster (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics William Herrin (Jul 21)