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Re: FBI: More Guns == Less Crime


From: "David Harley" <david.a.harley () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:06:10 -0000

Ingenious. Northern Ireland is therefore an example of gun control failing
-and- of relaxed gun controls succeeding. 

--
David Harley BA CISSP FBCS CITP
Director of Malware Intelligence, ESET

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tomas L. Byrnes [mailto:tomb () byrneit net] 
Sent: 27 December 2009 17:33
To: david.a.harley () gmail com; funsec
Subject: RE: [funsec] FBI: More Guns == Less Crime

The argument was more guns less CRIME, not more guns less 
crime with guns.

The tradeoff is more crimes with guns for a lot less overall 
crime. I think that is a lot preferable to what goes on in 
the UK and Ireland.

BTW: Aside from issues related to the troubles, which have 
now mostly faded into insignificance, NI has always had lower 
crime than the rest of the UK, or the Republic since 1972. 
Kind of makes the point of the
OP: More guns, less crime. Your post made my point.



-----Original Message-----
From: David Harley [mailto:david.a.harley () gmail com]
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 3:18 AM
To: Tomas L. Byrnes; 'funsec'
Subject: RE: [funsec] FBI: More Guns == Less Crime

Your problem is that you only focus on "Gun Crime". 

Uh-huh. If you don't like the argument you're in, pretend 
it's a different one. It wasn't me who defined the subject 
for this thread.

FWIW, I can certainly agree that firearms-unrelated violent 
crime in the UK is a bigger problem than gun crime. I'm 
surprised but happy to hear that it's less of a problem in the US.

I'd suggest leaving aside Ireland, where the political issues 
have introduced a whole raft of extra complications - isn't 
self-defence still considered a valid reason to own a firearm 
in Northern Ireland? At any rate, N.I. law seems a lot more 
gun-friendly than the rest of the UK. 

--
David Harley BA CISSP FBCS CITP
Director of Malware Intelligence, ESET

 


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