Re: FBI: More Guns == Less Crime

["Tomas L. Byrnes" <tomb () byrneit net>]

Northern Ireland is an example of: where you don't know who is armed or
not, you generally don't get involved in violence, unless it's really
worth your while.

It's also an example of how highly increased, highly visible, heavily
armed, police and frequent checkpoints decrease crime.

Last, but by no means least, it's an example of how strong religious
beliefs reduce overall criminality.

It's not as simple as "More guns, less crime", but it is interesting
that the most heavily armed (and not just with handguns) part of the UK
is also the one with the lowest crime rate.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Harley [mailto:david.a.harley () gmail com]
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:06 AM
> To: Tomas L. Byrnes; 'funsec'
> Subject: RE: [funsec] FBI: More Guns == Less Crime
>
> Ingenious. Northern Ireland is therefore an example of gun control
> failing
> -and- of relaxed gun controls succeeding.
>
> --
> David Harley BA CISSP FBCS CITP
> Director of Malware Intelligence, ESET
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tomas L. Byrnes [mailto:tomb () byrneit net]
> > Sent: 27 December 2009 17:33
> > To: david.a.harley () gmail com; funsec
> > Subject: RE: [funsec] FBI: More Guns == Less Crime
> >
> > The argument was more guns less CRIME, not more guns less
> > crime with guns.
> >
> > The tradeoff is more crimes with guns for a lot less overall
> > crime. I think that is a lot preferable to what goes on in
> > the UK and Ireland.
> >
> > BTW: Aside from issues related to the troubles, which have
> > now mostly faded into insignificance, NI has always had lower
> > crime than the rest of the UK, or the Republic since 1972.
> > Kind of makes the point of the
> > OP: More guns, less crime. Your post made my point.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Harley [mailto:david.a.harley () gmail com]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 3:18 AM
> > To: Tomas L. Byrnes; 'funsec'
> > Subject: RE: [funsec] FBI: More Guns == Less Crime
> >
> > > Your problem is that you only focus on "Gun Crime".
> >
> > Uh-huh. If you don't like the argument you're in, pretend
> > it's a different one. It wasn't me who defined the subject
> > for this thread.
> >
> > FWIW, I can certainly agree that firearms-unrelated violent
> > crime in the UK is a bigger problem than gun crime. I'm
> > surprised but happy to hear that it's less of a problem in the US.
> >
> > I'd suggest leaving aside Ireland, where the political issues
> > have introduced a whole raft of extra complications - isn't
> > self-defence still considered a valid reason to own a firearm
> > in Northern Ireland? At any rate, N.I. law seems a lot more
> > gun-friendly than the rest of the UK.
> >
> > --
> > David Harley BA CISSP FBCS CITP
> > Director of Malware Intelligence, ESET


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