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Re: Boy, 10, gets locked in gun safe at Sam's Club


From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:39:54 -0400

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:49:55 CDT, Brian Loe said:

Of course it was Sam's Club's fault - why would anyone write a ticket for
the mother?

Umm.. I see no mention of anybody writing a ticket to anybody in the actual
article.  And my copy of Firefox's "find" function doesn't find the string
'icket' anywhere in the page.

There *is* a mention of the fire department ordering the safes be taken off
the sales floor, which seems reasonable.  For all your talk of parents
abdicating their responsibilities, at least the fire department realizes
that children *will* run off in the split-second the parental's back is turned
and they *will* try stunts like that. The legal term for it is "attractive
nuisance".

             After all, don't all parents abdicate their parental
responsibilities when entering a store?!

I'm glad to see that *your* kids are so afraid of parental retribution that
they don't ever dare step more than 6 inches away from where they're supposed
to be.  However, in the real world, kids *do* stop to look at stuff, and
wander off, and all the other things that normal kids do.

                                         I feel a lawsuit coming on -
against Sam's Club for having dangerous storage devices on the sales floor;

I could see that happening, if harm had come.  Let's face it - if a store
manager *isn't* thinking to themselves "What trouble could the average 6 year
old that we see in this store all the time get into with this display unit"
they shouldn't be the store manager. (The same logic applies to end-cap displays
that are stacked high and present a collapse hazard).

Winchester for making a gun safe without an internal exit handle and the

This one is a definite no-brainer, given that the various companies that make
refrigerators already went through this *decades* ago.  Congress finally
passed the Refrigerator Safety Act, mandating that all refrigerators manufactured
after 1958 be openable from inside with merely a push - that's why almost
all have a magnetic seal rather than a latching mechanism.  (Yes, a lot of
kids still got killed in the old ones after they got discarded and kids played
with them - that's why they recommend taking the door off completely when
tossing them).

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/050304.html

And car manufacturers got their wake-up call back in 2001 too:

http://www.dot.gov/affairs/nhtsa4400.htm

                                                        Then, after the
lawsuits, there will be legislation...oh boy, what fun that will be.

Legislation didn't seem to hurt the refrigerator or auto industries, but it
*did* save a few dozen kid's lives every year.

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