Re: [privacy] US vs EU

["Brian Loe" <knobdy () gmail com>]

On 8/28/06, David Harley <david.a.harley () gmail com> wrote:

> I wasn't entirely fair, maybe. A lot of MI* activity tends to be ascribed or
> footnoted to police operations, and maybe I've had a lot of practice at
> reading between the lines. It's common knowledge (meaning it was in the
> papers, on TV etc.) that a lot of the intelligence about recent bomb-making
> activities, threats to air-travel etc. derived from the security services.
> The really interesting question is not whether MI* is doing anything, but
> whether they're doing anything apart from run around in panicky circles. But
> that's not a question you should restrict to UK security services.

I appreciate your level-headedness!

At any rate, don't you also wonder what they are doing that is
different than what the CIA/NSA are accused of doing? If its all
really up to public debate, and MI* groups are having more success
than another, seems it would be a worthy discussion to see what rights
we're willing to give up for that level of safety - world wide!

And I am pretty sure - though I have no proof - that all of these
groups are sharing all kinds of information and I highly doubt this is
a new thing. And for what its worth, I doubt it started with the
Bush/Blair administrations either. It MAY be a new thing that they're
sharing it a lot more, and allowing for a lot more spying now than say
pre-9/11.

In a nutshell I'd just like to see those questions asked - and I don't
care if they're asked in the US or the UK or Pakistan.
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