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Re: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding
From: Darren Reed <avalon () caligula anu edu au>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 05:34:27 +1000 (Australia/ACT)
In some mail from yossarian, sie said:
Is "them" including corporate interests if they conflict with personal freedom? Probably, since the companies = the shareholders = people..... Are you including DMCA / Patriot Act / etc.?What have they got to do with this ? Nothing so far as I can see.A lot. Under patriot act, bookstores can be asked to inform authorities who buys what books. This can and does include books we in the security industry consider must have reads. It might include a new book on hardening IIS, considered 'unfair' and 'not wise' by MS - whatever the reasons. Under this legislation, knowledge can be considered a WMD, and the population must be datamined. If you break in to the connection your fritz chip opens to see what info it sends on your computer use - i.e. want to know how far your privacy is invaded - you break DMCA. If your behavioural patterns match a predefined risky lifestyle ... enter demonisation.
You seem somewhat predisposed to want to discuss topics other than freedom of speach. I'll let you rant - I'm not going to bite as this is not what this thread is about and I can't say I'm all that interested in it either. ... You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about where the line is in doing damage to others. My advice to you is to do some research on defamation and libel cases to learn about what it is considered "bad form" to expect free speech to protect. To whit, the cases you cited do not, IMHO, fall into those that you might consider to be misconduct and where "freedom of speech" is not accepted as a defence. Darren _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Current thread:
- RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding Jason Coombs (Apr 18)
- Re: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding Paul Schmehl (Apr 18)
- Re: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding yossarian (Apr 19)
- Re: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding Paul Schmehl (Apr 19)
- Re: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding Darren Reed (Apr 19)
- Re: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding yossarian (Apr 19)
- Re: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding Darren Reed (Apr 20)
- Re: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding yossarian (Apr 20)
- RE: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding Curt Purdy (Apr 20)
- Re: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding Darren Reed (Apr 20)
- Re: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding yossarian (Apr 20)
- Re: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding riki (Apr 21)
- Re: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding Darren Reed (Apr 21)
- Re: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding riki (Apr 22)
- Re: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding yossarian (Apr 19)
- Re: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding Paul Schmehl (Apr 18)
- Re: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding Cptnug (Apr 19)
- Re: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding Denis Dimick (Apr 19)
- RE: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding Ed Carp (Apr 19)
- Re: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding Shawn McMahon (Apr 20)
- RE: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding Ed Carp (Apr 20)
- Re: RE: [ISN] DARPA pulls OpenBSD funding pandora (Apr 20)