Re: Re: Anybody Recognize These Uploads?

["Marcus J. Ranum" <mjr () ranum com>]

R. DuFresne wrote:
> Yet, without 'targeting" how does one push for a *fix* to the situation as
> it now remains?

Heck, just because I can help _IDENTIFY_ a problem doesn't mean
I know how to help solve it!! <LOL>

Joking aside - what we're dealing with here is a complex problem
in many dimensions. Many of those dimensions are _human_ dimensions,
so you've got cultural baggage, educational differences, etc, etc.
Others are financial - there are financial disincentives for vendors
to produce some things (like: reliable code) versus others (like: bells
and whistles)   The way to "solve" these kind of gigantic problems is
to make an across-the-board push at every possible point. Which is
something a lot of us have been doing in this space for a long time,
and you can see how well it's worked (like: not at all).

>  Lusers will perhaps never *get it*, so, you point and
> push techie oriented folks in the hopes they can lern up and finally do
> get it.  Or is there a better solution?

Why do you assume there has to be a solution? I guess the first
thing to consider is whether there's any evidence that this is a
solvable problem, or even a definable problem.

I guess that Mike's posting struck a nerve - it just seems too
simplistic to say "lazy admins have caused the broken internet"
that really trivializes a gigantic problem. And when you do that,
it gets easier to try to come down like a ton of bricks on the
one facet that you identify as "causing" the problem, and ignore
all the others.

mjr. 
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Marcus J. Ranum                         http://www.ranum.com
Computer and Communications Security    mjr () ranum com

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