Re: Re: Anybody Recognize These Uploads?

[David Lang <david.lang () digitalinsight com>]

Mike, one problem with choosing hosting providers is that it is very
difficult for people to find the info you are refering to.

the major companies can do it becouse they have people with contact who
can learn the truth via word-of-mouth, but amall companies looking for
their first hosting company don't have that advantage. and once a company
start useing one hosting company it takes a significant issue before it's
possible to justify the horrendes expense of moving.

David Lang

On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Mike Hoskins wrote:

> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:04:49 -0800 (PST)
> From: Mike Hoskins <mike () adept org>
> To: firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com
> Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] Re: Anybody Recognize These Uploads?
>
> On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Gary Flynn wrote:
> > > It's easier to block a country, class A/B/C, etc. than it is to monitor,
> > > inspect, track and resolve potential issues.  Doing things simply because
> > > they're easy, however, rarely leads to the desired result.
> > Engineers and managers can no more "monitor, inspect, track, and
> > resolve potential issues" brought on by connecting the world's
> > population than can scientists, politicians, law enforcement, and
> > religious leaders.
>
> I understand your frustration, but somewhat disagree...
>
> > An open network, like an open society, requires cooperative,
> > educated members for it to function.
>
> Precisely, and it is by help of these cooperative, educated members of
> the Internet society (I know they're out there ;), or at least the network
> (security) engineering society, that monitoring, inspecting, tracking and
> resolving potential issues becomes possible.
>
> The people I know choose access and hosting providers, for example, based
> upon peer review.  I.e. If Provider A has operations staff that is known
> to help identify, track and resolve DoS/DDoS attacks then I'd rather be a
> part of their cooperative, educated, helpful network society than Provider
> B's who just blackholes a class C when one IP within the block is found to
> be an open relay.  (This is just one easy example.  :)
>
> I'm not arguing there's not a time and place for blackholing or other
> action on the part of the admin, but I think some of these bandaids are
> chosen too quickly without careful consideration of the potential
> imlications.  (Hey, that's life.)
>
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