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Re: tunnel vs open a hole
From: "Marcus J. Ranum" <mjr () ranum com>
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:15:50 -0400
George Capehart wrote:
Fair is fair. You're right. If the customers complained/sued, maybe it would get someone's attention . . . ;-)
Y'know, when someone buys cigarettes and smokes them and enjoys them for 20 years and doesn't quit even when their medical effects are well-documented - then turns around and sues the tobacco manufacturers, I think they're pretty lame. I think they should accept that a certain amount of their pain is of their own doing. When someone beats their head against a wall, and it hurts and their friends tell them to stop, they shouldn't sue the wall, or their friends. They should accept that a certain amount of their pain is of their own doing. When someone keeps using Microsoft IIS as a mission-critical component in spite of the literally hundreds of security problems it's had in the last few years - well. I think they should accept that a certain amount of their pain is of their own doing. There's one easy way to complain to a vendor that sells crap: stop buying the crap. They'll get the point pretty quickly. In fact, with the way most of these software companies burn money they'll evaporate overnight. Continuing to put your good money down on crap that you know is crap eventually loses you your moral position from which to complain if what you get is crap. mjr. --- Marcus J. Ranum http://www.ranum.com Computer and Communications Security mjr () ranum com _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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- RE: tunnel vs open a hole Behm, Jeffrey L. (Apr 07)
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- RE: tunnel vs open a hole Melson, Paul (Apr 08)
- RE: tunnel vs open a hole Bruce Platt (Apr 08)
- RE: tunnel vs open a hole Dave Piscitello (Apr 08)
- RE: tunnel vs open a hole Marcus J. Ranum (Apr 09)
- Re: tunnel vs open a hole George Capehart (Apr 09)
- Re: tunnel vs open a hole Marcus J. Ranum (Apr 09)
- Re: tunnel vs open a hole George Capehart (Apr 09)
- Re: tunnel vs open a hole Marcus J. Ranum (Apr 09)
- Re: tunnel vs open a hole R. DuFresne (Apr 10)
- Re: tunnel vs open a hole Bill Royds (Apr 10)
- Re: tunnel vs open a hole Marcus J. Ranum (Apr 10)
- Re: tunnel vs open a hole George Capehart (Apr 09)
- Re: tunnel vs open a hole Dave Piscitello (Apr 10)
- Re: tunnel vs open a hole Adam Shostack (Apr 09)
- Re: tunnel vs open a hole Mike Frantzen (Apr 10)
- Re: tunnel vs open a hole R. DuFresne (Apr 10)
- Re: tunnel vs open a hole George Capehart (Apr 10)
- Re: tunnel vs open a hole Joseph S D Yao (Apr 10)
- Re: tunnel vs open a hole George Capehart (Apr 10)