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RE: Castles and Security (fwd)
From: "Marcus J. Ranum" <mjr () nfr com>
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:26:49 -0800
Stiennon,Richard wrote:
And, speaking of paradigms gone wrong, I advice against thinking that arms control ever stopped terrorists. The thought that network tools of any sort can be regulated effectively or is even justifiable is one that has to be stopped now before our legislators get led down that path.
I (carefully) wrote in the posting he was responding to:
It's the latter point that got me on my recent train of thought that hacking tools/cyberweapons will eventually become regulated: they have to be because possession of cyberweapons is one of the few targeting indicators that might identify an enemy.
There's a lot of subtlety that I think many people miss when they approach the issue of weapons/cyberweapons regulation. There's some possible utility in trying to restrict tools at a surface level, but the real utility comes from improving targeting. I know that sooner or later the 2nd amendment debate will get dragged into this (and if it goes too far, I'll exercise moderator's rights) but the gun lobby's "if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" slogan really makes the point: never mind the details, you've now reduced the situation into clear black and white rather than shades of gray. Whether or not restrictions work, removing the shades of gray is utterly critical to making any progress. This is the targeting problem. Right now, we're working in an environment where it's nearly impossible to tell a "good guy" from a "bad guy". In fact, a bad guy could probably mount a credible defense for a while by merely claiming to be a good guy. That's not possible if the target definition is a bit crisper. mjr. _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () nfr com http://www.nfr.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
Current thread:
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd), (continued)
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd) Antonomasia (Jan 03)
- RE: Castles and Security (fwd) Stiennon,Richard (Jan 03)
- RE: Castles and Security (fwd) Security Related (Jan 03)
- RE: Castles and Security (fwd) Marcus J. Ranum (Jan 03)
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd) Crispin Cowan (Jan 03)
- RE: Castles and Security (fwd) Marcus J. Ranum (Jan 03)
- RE: Castles and Security (fwd) Lance Spitzner (Jan 03)
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd) Darren Reed (Jan 03)
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd) John McDermott (Jan 03)
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd) Darren Reed (Jan 03)
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd) M.Schubert (Jan 04)
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd) Darren Reed (Jan 03)
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd) Darren Reed (Jan 03)
- Re: Castles and Security Title Randy Grimshaw (Jan 04)
- RE: Castles and Security (fwd) daN. (Jan 03)
- RE: Castles and Security (fwd) Marcus J. Ranum (Jan 04)
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd) Neil Buckley (Jan 05)
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd) Adam Shostack (Jan 08)
- Targeting (was Castles and Security) Stephen P. Berry (Jan 08)
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd) Darren Reed (Jan 03)