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Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education?
From: Ozzie Paez <ozpaez () SPRYNET COM>
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:49:07 -0700
Terri, You just encapsulated the greatest security challenges in any environment, people and culture. Security by its very nature is intrusive in what it seeks to get people to do and not do. I have worked in some of the most restricted, secure environments where the culture was accepting and supporting of high security measures; and yet security violations, often serious, did happen and were almost always traceable to one or more people, groups of people, departments, etc. I have had conversations with others on PhishMe and the issue of entrapment always comes into play. Yet, from a people centric security perspective, providing feedback (even somewhat embarrassing feedback) is critical to keeping security policies and programs effective. Here is one thing that may be of help: Find someone who is respected/liked within the ranks of professors and administrators and have them lead the feedback sessions. Often times, not just in academia but in private and government environments as well, those in higher positions do not appreciate feedback from those in perceived lower positions, and that does include security folks. So, if you are going to brief professors and PhDs, from a people perspective, it is better to have someone with a PhD and professorship lead the feedback session; then have the hands on technical types provide more detailed, technically centric information. Ditto in the private sector, where often times it is executives who not only violate security policies, but actually demand that they be allowed to do so. In those cases, having a member of the board or very senior executive (CIO, CFO, etc.) speak to him or her can eliminate issues of 'lower ranks' lecturing 'higher ranks'. BTW - One of the weakest components of all security certifications is the lack of people centric, culturally sensitive focus. We can buy all the gizmos, do-das, firewalls and everything in between, and then have all of it made irrelevant by what those on the inside, who theoretically should know better, end up doing. PhishMe provides feedback on the people level effectiveness of parts of your programs BEFORE a crisis or embarrassment forces change. If you do not know how effective you are being with the user community, then all you have, after all the expenditures, is an unproven hypothesis. Consider what happened at the White House with the couple that managed to get in without an invitation last week. For all the recrimination and potential charges, were it not for them, those in charge of security might not have known that they had a major people-centric security hole until something bad happened. In the end, regardless of what they do with the trespassers, the security folks got unquestionable feedback that they needed to improve their overall security posture, probably through improved training of the security and White House staffs. This is the conundrum of security - you can succeed a thousand times, but it is primarily failures (hopefully non-catastrophic) that allow professionals, if they can set their bruised feelings aside, to identify weaknesses and make significant improvements. Hope it helps, Ozzie Paez SSE/SAIC 303-332-5363 From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of Terri Jones Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:48 PM To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU Subject: Re: [SECURITY] Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Matthew, I looked into PhishMe, and it's pretty slick. But in discussing it with other IT managers, we really hesitate to "entrap" users into doing the things we tell them over and over not to do. What has been your experience with this aspect, and are there ways of using the service other than tricking users? I'm not trying to be troublesome, just looking for another perspective, as this is the impression the service gave to my colleagues. Thanks, Terri Jones ************************************************ Terri Jones Director, IT Information Services Chief Information Security Officer Webster University 470 E. Lockwood Avenue, St. Louis, MO 63119 <mailto:terrij () webster edu> terrij () webster edu / (314)246-7953 On Nov 17, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Matthew Wollenweber wrote: I've thought on this problem a lot recently. I haven't yet tried to push the plan through management, but the most reasonable approach to me seems to be targeted and automated training. Most malware we see is the result of trojans, which means user interaction is generally required. When we remediate the system, it would be easy enough to sign the user up for a phishing/trojan awareness training through a service like phishme.com. That way users that have problems get training, training functions as a test of sorts, and it's automated so the employee isn't defensive about what they were doing that led to the compromise. Again, this isn't implemented but in my opinion it feels like an unresolved problem when we remediate a system for a trojan with little or no training/interaction with the user and this is the best solution I've had on the subject. On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Jon Good <Jon.Good () ucop edu> wrote: Researching a question posed by our Academic Senate leadership: What approaches have worked at other institutions to persuade faculty to get on the security awareness bandwagon [take the "training"]? Jon Good Director, Information Security Information Resources & Communications University of California Office of the President 415 - 20th Street, 3rd Floor Oakland, CA 94612-2901 (510) 987-0518 -- Matthew Wollenweber
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- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education?, (continued)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Hugh Burley (Nov 17)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Delaney, Cherry L. (Nov 25)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Raymond, Jessica (Nov 25)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Delaney, Cherry L. (Nov 25)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Hugh Burley (Nov 25)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? randy marchany (Nov 27)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Ozzie Paez (Nov 27)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Eric Case (Nov 27)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Terri Jones (Nov 29)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Allison Dolan (Nov 30)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Ozzie Paez (Nov 30)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Matthew Wollenweber (Nov 30)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Delaney, Cherry L. (Nov 30)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Steve Romig (Dec 01)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Ken Connelly (Dec 01)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Ozzie Paez (Dec 01)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Hugh Burley (Dec 01)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Matthew Wollenweber (Dec 01)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Valdis Kletnieks (Dec 01)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Matthew Wollenweber (Dec 01)
- Re: Faculty Acceptance of Security Awareness Education? Matthew Wollenweber (Dec 01)
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