Re: The lack of hard questions

["Pusscat" <pusscat () metasploit com>]

My assumption would be that if it can be made reliable by anyone, then it's
reliable. It probably shouldn't be a quantum value, collapsed by our
inability ;)

~ Lurene, NOP :)

-----Original Message-----
From: dailydave-bounces () lists immunitysec com
[mailto:dailydave-bounces () lists immunitysec com] On Behalf Of Charles Miller
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:57 PM
To: Dave Aitel
Cc: dailydave
Subject: Re: [Dailydave] The lack of hard questions

I feel a little uneasy about Microsoft declaring how exploitable  
vulnerabilities are...  That's a job I wouldn't want.  Plus, if the  
only people who can make a particular exploit reliable are Kostya and  
Alex, does that count as reliable or somewhat reliable?

Charlie

On Aug 26, 2008, at 2:21 PM, Dave Aitel wrote:

> There's probably a few BlackHat talks you didn't bother to read, and  
> I wanted to highlight a couple:
> 1.
> Alex
Ionescuhttps://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-usa-08/Ionescu/BH_US_08_Ion
escu_Pointers_and_Handles.pdf
> The bugs themselves are local DoS's (bluescreens) and Admin->Ring0  
> jumps, but the methodology he used to find the bugs, and the  
> win32k.sys internals he discusses while explaining them are  
> interesting. I quickly wrote one of them up for CANVAS Early  
> Updates, since you never know when Blue Screening some box might  
> come in handy.
>
>
> 2.
> Secure the Planet! New Strategic Initiatives from Microsoft to Rock  
> Your World Mike Reavey, Steve Adegbite, Katie
Moussourishttps://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-usa-08/Reavey/MSRC.pdf
> Obviously my favorite part is the slide with CANVAS. :> But I think  
> it's interesting that Microsoft is doing this stuff and I don't  
> think people have asked them the hard questions about it yet.  Also,  
> those are quite cool caricatures .
>
> Recently Immunity's been tasked with something that requires the  
> development of a secure MSRPC application in unmanaged C++. When you  
> start trying to build something like this, you realize just how hard  
> it is for normal developers. Where web developers have thousands of  
> gadgets, papers, recipies, techniques, API's, and "how-tos", there  
> really isn't anything great on building a secure MSRPC application.  
> So while it's true that Microsoft is making the fastest strides in  
> security, it's also true they have the longest to go.
>
> -dave
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