RE: Re: University Degree or CISSP

["Elizabeth Lewis" <e.lewis () infosecurityconsult com>]

I have to say I agree. Nothing beats hands on experience. I just felt the
need to defend the cert because I am currently working on getting my CISSP.
:) 
And a college education will benefit you until the day you die. The CISSP
does not have the same benefit, but it does not hurt to have it.  (at least
I hope not , or im wasting some valuable time trying to get it. :)

Have a good one. 
Elizabeth



-----Original Message-----
From: ilaiy [mailto:ilaiy.e () gmail com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:04 AM
To: Elizabeth Lewis
Cc: Huang, John, GCM; security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Re: University Degree or CISSP

I would say a CISSP is really good to have even though I have a
Master, people are not bothered about the same.

I was not given a job because I did not have a CISSP. It totally
depends on company to company. Some of them think if you have a CISSP
you are good. According to me it really doesnot matter what CERT's you
have. It all boils down to what you know when it comes to security.
Hands on experience is always the best.

./thanks
ilaiy

On 1/24/06, Elizabeth Lewis <e.lewis () infosecurityconsult com> wrote:
> I have a degree in comp. sci. from Purdue University. *Go Boilermakers!*
and
> it is extremely valuable to ME, but in the REAL WORLD that I live in, when
> employers ask about my education they ask about certs first. They seem to
> care little about my bachelor's degree. They tell me "that's great" then
in
> the same breath they ask about certs and experience. It took me 4 years to
> get the Purdue degree. And it is taking me another 4 to prep and get my
> CISSP, due to the 4 years of experience requirement. So in short, it is
NOT
> a crazy discussion. You CAN compare the two, they both take 4 years, and
> they both take a lot of dedication to achieve. I know A LOT of people who
> have the degree, but would NEVER make it though a CISSP cert. maybe you
are
> one of them.  A CISSP is nothing to laugh off. . My advise to John Huang.
> GET THEM BOTH. You won't regret it.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Kousky [mailto:kkousky () ip3inc com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:38 PM
> To: 'Huang, John, GCM'; security-basics () securityfocus com
> Subject: RE: Re: University Degree or CISSP
>
> This is the craziest conversation I ever heard of - there is NO comparison
> between a REAL degree and CISSP. CISSP is great, valuable and vital but it
> isn't in any way comparable.
>
> Simply put, if you don't have a degree - get one and get the best one you
> can.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Huang, John, GCM [mailto:John.Huang () rbsgc com]
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 1:41 PM
> To: security-basics () securityfocus com
> Subject: RE: Re: University Degree or CISSP
>
> Degree or CISSP? It depends on where you are in life. A degree helps you
> in the door and advancement into a management position usually require a
> college degree. But if you're already in the field and don't have a
> college degree, a CISSP cert is easier to obtain in a shorter amount of
> time, and provide more immediate benefit since you can put the things
> you learn into use.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shyaam () gmail com [mailto:shyaam () gmail com]
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:25 PM
> To: security-basics () securityfocus com
> Subject: Re: Re: University Degree or CISSP
>
> Yes,
> Very true. Nothing counts equivalent to experience, but experience comes
> only when someone starts somewhere. I have seen one big thing happening
> around. People in the industries shifted from technology to business,
> that is the point when they lost the security and created more loopholes
> in their own products as they reduced the time needed, reduced budgets
> and spent more on advertisements and marketing.
> How does that reflect on people. They need people already with
> experience. But how is that possible. Everybody needs to start
> somewhere. So experience does count, but I would say some foundation,
> some added qualification and some experience is good for a cool job. For
> a startup job, some degree and some cert is essential.
>
> PS: This is my opinion, I am not pointing out any company or any private
> organization.
>
> -S-
>
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