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RE: Wireless Security
From: "Herman Frederick Ebeling, Jr." <hfebelingjr () lycos com>
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:17:20 -0400
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Todd, On a) I've gotta agree with ya. As for b) I meant neighbors a) & b) illegally access Person A's Wi-Fi network, and neighbor b) goes into neighbor a's computer and reads files/MSGs and/or deletes same. Is person A) liable for the damage that neighbor b) causes to neighbor a's computer? I would think that neighbor b) is solely responsible for the damage that they cause to neighbor a's computer. I mean let's look at the "early days" of the cable/DSL modems where neighbors could see on another's computers on their "LAN." That doesn't mean that the company that supplied the high speed access were responsible for securing ALL of their customers boxes does it? It was up to each customer to secure their own box, correct? As for C) I would think that as long as they weren't deleting any files, planting any virus' or Trojan Horse' and were just investigating those who were attached to his/her network so that they could find them and lock them out that that would/should be allowed. On D) I have to agree with ya, IF one doesn't have proper anti-virus protection in place then it is not the fault of the person who setup the Wi-Fi network to protect the leaches boxes. On E) I agree that there is no expectation of privacy for the leaches, and I would think that the owner of the Wi-Fi network would be the "owner" of any and all packets sent through their equipment/network. And that as with C) they would be justified in doing so, so as to locate who all is illegally on their network. Herman -----Original Message----- From: Todd Kaltenborn [mailto:techno.buddha () gmail com] Sent: Thursday, 13 October, 2005 07:10 To: hfebelingjr () lycos com Subject: Re: Wireless Security A) None. They accessed your WiFi network illegally. You have NO obligation to what happens to their computer. B) This one is tricky. If I understand you correctly, person A sets up a wifi net in their home and person B accesses the network and reads/deletes the files/messages? IMOP, you're both liable. You should have set-up your network more securely, however, person B should NOT have accessed the network... C)No. Just because they accessed your network, it does NOT mean you can go into their computer and get "an eye for an eye". D)No. They should not have accessed your network in the first place. Now, if you placed the virus on their computer, well.... E)This is up for debate. Legally, they have the same expectation to privacy that you have. However, their argument would be kinda dumb, considering he accessed your network illegally. Just my 2 cents.... On 10/12/05, Herman Frederick Ebeling, Jr. <hfebelingjr () lycos com> wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've got a question (actually a few) along these lines. Let's say that a person has a Wi-Fi network setup at home. And they find out that some of their neighbors have accessed it. A) What if any obligation to the neighbors does the person who initially setup the Wi-Fi network have? B) What happens IF one neighbor goes in and reads/deletes msgs/files from another neighbor's computer is the person who initially setup the Wi-Fi network for their own use liable? C) Can the person who initially setup the Wi-Fi network legally go in and look around his/her neighbors computers? D) What if one the neighbors get a virus, is the person who initially setup the Wi-Fi network liable? E) What if any expectations to privacy do the unauthorized users have? Herman - -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Davis [mailto:daryl () ultbingo com] Sent: Tuesday, 04 October, 2005 12:56 To: security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: Wireless blocking I believe I have an unauthorized wireless router on my network. I have been unable to physically find it as of yet. Does anyone know how to find the hidden SSID and then Jam it? Thank you. Daryl R Davis Digital Game Media, Inc. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQ01ORx/i52nbE9vTEQJiUgCeOOjX9N6x73SckuWo8IM3fRrF7NoAni3P b8FzLCft8X2qZYK7BYhdx+E3 =9dp4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQ06JFB/i52nbE9vTEQIQNgCeKJik0XSrzFd9TJRKx5k/A+MJ9KMAn1yY hucNOL1GlBXjgfkaD1qWfyuY =ZNAp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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