Re: Security Certs

["Duncan" <10010828 () epping-forest ac uk>]

I've just started a CCNA1 (They've just called it Cisco Networking
Certification...) at my local college, which is online mostly. I'm also
doing a British National Diploma for IT Practitioners and a Mathematics AS
level (i'm in the UK). When I leave college in 2 years I'll still have
another 2 years of CCNA (at this speed anyway), so I'm just curious what
sort of salary range I'd be looking at if I was leaving the course now
(since you cant really predict the situations 2 years into the future). I'm
interested in network security mostly.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meritt James" <meritt_james () bah com>
To: "David J. Jackson" <djackson () netdmz com>
Cc: <Nigel.Hedges () iag com au>; <security-basics () securityfocus com>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Security Certs


> 30,000 foot level, an inch deep, and a hundred miles wide.
>
> Think "management"  for CISSP.
>
> Jim
>
> "David J. Jackson" wrote:
> > Hello all.
> >
> > Like with most technical jobs, many people see certifications as a
waste.  Experience is where people are typically picked out.  However, I
must say that going through the GSEC process from SANS was one of the most
involved certifications I've ever taken.  If you don't know your stuff, you
don't pass.  That's the truth.  The SANS GSEC Certification like most of the
other certs from SANS, is down in the trenches using hacking and security
concepts and tools.  Some of the other certifications are at much higher
conceptual levels.  I've heard a CISSP say that the CISSP concepts are at a
30,000 Foot view of security, and of course the GSEC is right down in the
trenches.  The Security+ I would say is around the same conceptual level of
the CISSP, but not as difficult.
> > I'm working on my Security+ cert now, which should be a breeze since I
just got my GSEC Cert a few weeks ago.  Good luck with your certifications,
and remember it won't really help to have them unless you know how to use
the information you've learned.
> > David Jackson, GSEC
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nigel.Hedges () iag com au [mailto:Nigel.Hedges () iag com au]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 4:07 PM
> > To: security-basics () securityfocus com
> > Subject: RE: Security Certs
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> > Hi,
> >
> > I generally agree with Steve's comments. I have obtained CISSP, CISA,
> > Security+ and I must say the benefit have been more in the knowledge
gained
> > and confirmed during the  journey of acquiring the certs, rather than
> > simply obtaining "the letters".
> >
> > Security+ is a little more technical than the others, but requires less
> > experience to qualify and obtain than the other certs. If you think
CISSP
> > requirements are stiff, CISA is much the same.
> >
> > I perceive high value in the SANS courses, and it'd be great to hear
> > peoples comments about it.
> >
> > Nigel H
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> >   |       To:       DANIEL SIMPSON <DANSIMPS () uat edu>, Meritt James
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> >   |       cc:       "Brian G." <brian () fireflydigitalmedia com>,
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> > The CISSP requirements are not all that stiff if you have industry
> > experience.  Not sure about the Microsoft Security cert as I have never
> > looked at it.  But the Security+ certification from CompTIA is targeted
> > towards IT folks who want to move into security.  It is a good starting
> > point.  There is also Sans.
> >
> > I personally don't hold a lot of value in any of the certs and when
hiring
> > people I couldn't care less what letters are behind their name but what
> > skills they have and what kind of attitude they have.  Although I highly
> > doubt this is the norm..
> >
> > -S
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: DANIEL SIMPSON [mailto:DANSIMPS () uat edu]
> > > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:48 PM
> > > To: Meritt James
> > > Cc: Brian G.; security-basics () securityfocus com
> > > Subject: RE: Security Certs
> > >
> > > I was checking out CISSP requirements, looks pretty stiff.
> > >
> > > What is this Microsoft security + cert? Any value to it
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> James W. Meritt CISSP, CISA
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