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Re: Anti-MS drivel
From: "Lee" <cheekypeople () sec33 com>
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:59:35 -0000
To move any kind of new system, network, office systems, email...takes time and money. While there are better options for everything we do, the simple fact of ROI and IT becoming the service industry it was always destined to be, causes alot of folk to re value, and alot of the time make do, or spend less on migration. I look after a 10,000 user network, now if I make one simple change to a template or how folks work, I have to think of support costs, training costs, and loss of business and work rate due to the new system being in place, and thats just for starters. To move people to the next version of something is still hard, but incurrs less cost (well you would think hehehe) but anyways, my point is, having all the answers in my mind doesnt make my busines run better, Facts figures and a sound plan and even then I would have to turn in down, due to the cost of just getting those figures and plan hehehe Have to base my decision on business not IT, as they are the ones that pay for it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Gale" <michael () bluesuperman com> To: <full-disclosure () lists netsys com> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Anti-MS drivel
HAHHHAHAH --snip--Business on the other hand is moving slowly to Linux. Why slowly? Who do you sue when your business is hacked by someone who planted a backdoor in the Linux kernel? Won't happen you say? Let's see, almost happened once already . . .--snip-- Oh please ... did you read the wed site or did a friendly who knows how to read explain it. The site says a public DB that offers TEST and BETA kernels was attacked. It also says that the intrusion was caught which would suggest that this was a unsuccessful attack. I like how you point out one unsuccessful attack on linux but leave out thousands of successful working and money costing Microsoft windows problems. Michael. On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:47:44 -0500 "James Patterson Wicks" <pwicks () oxygen com> wrote:Microsoft has competition. Apple, Sun, Red Hat . . . Problem is Apple is full of idiots who feature style over substance. The system has to look better than it performs. They want people to pay a premium to make it seem that their products are for the elite only. The OS is more stable than Microsoft, but their elitist attitude will always keep them at 5% market share. Sun's Java should be the market leader, but they don't have the cash to take on the 800 pound gorilla that is Microsoft. Java is on running Spirit, the rover that is on Mars right now. Imagine if Spirit had a Microsoft OS running it. Right after touchdown on Mars, you see the first image of the landscape and then . . . . BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH!! Sorry, but the guy from the Help Desk can't just stop by and reboot it this time. Even NASA is not crazy enough to trust a billion dollar project to a Microsoft OS. Linux is just not ready for prime time. By prime time I mean on the homes of the American public. Regular home consumers don't want to have to learn a new language to use e-mail or play games. They want to be able to update a security hole without having to compile something. Linux needs an interface like OS X and a software library to back it for"normal" people to be interested. Business on the other hand is moving slowly to Linux. Why slowly? Who do you sue when your business is hacked by someone who planted a backdoor in the Linux kernel? Won't happen you say? Let's see, almost happened once already . . . Linux kernel suffers Trojan horse hack - http://www.silicon.com/software/os/0,39024651,39116796,00.htm Microsoft threw an incomplete, insecure computer solution at an eager market for a low price, so home users and businesses lapped it up. Ever since Windows 95, home computing and Microsoft are nearly joined at the hip. It will take time to break Microsoft's nine-year hold, but it's going to take more than OS X and the current Linux offerings to do it. -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Edward W. Ray Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:38 PM To: 'Mary Landesman'; 'David F. Skoll'; tlarholm () pivx com Cc: bugtraq () securityfocus com; ntbugtraq () listserv ntbugtraq com; full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: [Full-disclosure] Anti-MS drivel Mary: Cisco at least has competition. Juniper Networks has about a 25% share of the router market, which keeps Cisco honest. Microsoft has almost market penetration at the desktop for both the home and business. IMHO, they deserve all the anti-MS drivel people can dish out. I will tire of it when I don't have to spend an hour each month clearing my firewall logs of attempted Code Red and Nimda infection attempts Edward W. Ray -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Mary Landesman Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:55 AM To: David F. Skoll; tlarholm () pivx com Cc: bugtraq () securityfocus com; ntbugtraq () listserv ntbugtraq com; full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause That's pretty much like teaching your kids to never talk to strangers, or never visit the "bad" part of town. Fact is, most crimes are committed by people we know. Microsoft is often victimized, mainly because they are so ubiquitous. Cisco is running a poll right now to see which of the 17 critical patches are most important to users, because they only have the manpower to fix 10 of them. Should we all stop using Cisco products? This anti-MS drivel is so tiresome. -- Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "David F. Skoll" <dfs () roaringpenguin com> To: <tlarholm () pivx com> Cc: <bugtraq () securityfocus com>; <ntbugtraq () listserv ntbugtraq com>; <full-disclosure () lists netsys com> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:06 PM Subject: [Full-disclosure] Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 tlarholm () pivx com wrote:I just wanted to remind everybody that tomorrow is Personal FirewallDay.http://www.personalfirewallday.org/That Web site is utterly disingenuous. Rather than giving low-value information, how about high-value information that actually protects people: 1) Don't use Windows. 2) Don't use Outlook. Our company uses neither Windows nor Outlook, and although we do have a firewall, we do not use anti-virus software. Of course, the sponsors of the site (Microsoft and a bunch of anti-virus vendors) can hardly see it as being in their interest to actually create a secure computing environment. 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