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Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant
From: ArkanoiD <ark () eltex net>
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:05:46 +0300
nuqneH, I use it frequently, it is quite common way to get free support on Unix software in realtime. And i use it as one of IMs, too ;-) On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 08:50:35AM -0600, Brian Loe wrote:
I still have to ask why everyone is an admin on their local machine, but beyond that I'm also wondering why you would spend the extra time and money on an IRC client/environment at all. If the communications are to be kept within the company, MS provides free software to do that and you don't have to open it up to the 'Net. Here they install Messenger on every system. You're not allowed off-network and can only add users from AD. If you do need to include folks from off the network then why not use one of the new whiz-bang web sites? Every vendor I've dealt with in the last couple of years has either installed their own or has rented time from a third-party. IRC isn't all that efficient at sharing ideas anyway - can't see how anyone could make a business case for it. On 1/30/06, Paul Melson <pmelson () gmail com> wrote:Subject: RE: [fw-wiz] "firewalls are obsolete" rant<SNIP>Being honest, if I had it to do over again, I would've fought harder to keep it out. What we came up with* mitigates the threat of bots and other unauthorized clients getting back to an irc server outside our network, but we wasted lots of time and energy to get there, all so a handful of people didn't have to use e-mail to collaborate. And since I can audit the conversations that take place, I also know how much it's used. We're still "upside-down" on the value proposition that was used to argue for it. PaulM * Happy to talk about this off-list if you're still in need of ideas._______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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Current thread:
- RE: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Paul Melson (Feb 01)
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- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant ArkanoiD (Feb 01)
- RE: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Luke Butcher (Feb 01)
- RE: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Paul Melson (Feb 01)
- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Brian Loe (Feb 02)
- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Paul D. Robertson (Feb 02)
- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant ArkanoiD (Feb 02)
- RE: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Paul Melson (Feb 02)
- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Brian Loe (Feb 02)
- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Jim Seymour (Feb 02)
- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Brian Loe (Feb 02)
- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Brian Loe (Feb 01)
- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Rajeev Gupta (Feb 02)
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- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Marcus J. Ranum (Feb 02)
- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant ArkanoiD (Feb 02)
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