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RE: "firewalls are obsolete" rant
From: "Paul Melson" <pmelson () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:54:31 -0500
Subject: RE: [fw-wiz] "firewalls are obsolete" rant
He actually has what sounds like a reasonable, work-related reason for
wanting to access a
technically-related IRC network/channel. I told him if he wanted to use a
Unix/Linux client
approved by I.T., we could discuss it. But no client/desktop systems,
particularly those
from a Certain Large Software Company, and *certainly* no client/desktop
systems over which
the end-user has admin rights.
We just went down this road last year. It was not pretty. But, this is an excellent example for those list readers who are ivory tower consultant types that think the infosec tail should wag the money-making dog. ;-) Business "needs" will trump security standards, forcing security practitioners to build controls for those exceptions. Being honest, if I had it to do over again, I would've fought harder to keep it out. What we came up with* mitigates the threat of bots and other unauthorized clients getting back to an irc server outside our network, but we wasted lots of time and energy to get there, all so a handful of people didn't have to use e-mail to collaborate. And since I can audit the conversations that take place, I also know how much it's used. We're still "upside-down" on the value proposition that was used to argue for it. PaulM * Happy to talk about this off-list if you're still in need of ideas. _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
Current thread:
- RE: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Paul Melson (Feb 01)
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- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant ArkanoiD (Feb 01)
- RE: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Luke Butcher (Feb 01)
- RE: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Paul Melson (Feb 01)
- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Brian Loe (Feb 02)
- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Paul D. Robertson (Feb 02)
- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant ArkanoiD (Feb 02)
- RE: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Paul Melson (Feb 02)
- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Brian Loe (Feb 02)
- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Jim Seymour (Feb 02)
- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Brian Loe (Feb 02)
- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Brian Loe (Feb 01)
- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Rajeev Gupta (Feb 02)
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- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant Marcus J. Ranum (Feb 02)
- Re: "firewalls are obsolete" rant ArkanoiD (Feb 02)
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