RE: Sourcefire Tactics - New Licensing

[Theodore Stout <theodorestout () yahoo com>]

All,

I am surprised at this thread.  I have been working
slavish lately and have been unable to look at
anything, barely even the sky.

The very thought that Snort would cease to be open is
ridiculous.  What are you smoking?  There are too many
people in the community who are lunatics about Snort
to make it ever fully become "Closed" Why people would
be so alarmist is beyond my understanding.

In order for any one to make Snort fully propritetary,
every distrubution of Snort would have to be
controlled.  Do you think any organaization has that
kind of ability?  Nope.  No one is getting my Snort
from my apartment. No way, ain't going to happen.  My
wife is an archer and I have a good sword,(I live in
Japan and she is Japanese) we will see who becomes
bacon if anyone tries to take my Snort.  As long as
there are people out their with source code and others
who are devoted to making new rules, Snort will
eternally be open source.  Basically, as long as there
are college students who like linux distributions &
jolt and dislike sunlight there will always be Snort.

Who cares if SF has a different method of licensing? 
That is business.  I just heard about it from this
thread and I am not losing any sleep about it
whatsoever.  In fact I am going to sleep right after I
finish this entry.  The fact that anyone could be
scared by any organization only means that there is a
lack of faith in the community supporting Snort, not
that a company is being overly capitalistic.  Marty is
not Gates.  Shoot, even my G5 is better than his
office computer, why anyone would feel like Big
Company is about to take the Snort pig out of the open
pen to make bacon is beyond my comprehension.

Again, it is impossible to take Open out of Snort 
because there are too many users and no one
orgainzation can possibily gain that degree of control
over the community.  So chill out and be  thankful for
what we`ve got; an extremely friendly company who
supports an open source product what helps put food on
the table, and new Powerbooks on the desk, for many
many open source engineers.  Let's support Snort and
each other and let SF deal with its licensing as it
pleases.

As for any negative comments about SF Snort Training,
I took it and it was really good.  Much better than
SANS.  Why would anyone waste their time saying
anything bad about it?  It was good training.  Man,
some people just don't understand just how blessed
they really are!

Theodore Stout


--- Michael Steele <michaels () winsnort com> wrote:

> Peter,
> Ok, remember this when Sourcefire forks the source
> code for Snort. I doubt
> that will ever happen, but who is to say what might
> happen down the road.
>
> Sourcefire is where they are at this point because
> of the development that
> was produced pre-Sourcefire. There was a LOT of
> development on Snort outside
> of Marty, and Sourcefire has built on that
> development. It would have taken
> years longer for Snort to be developed to where it
> was when Sourcefire was
> created.
>
> Sourcefire has placed a LOT of money into developing
> Snort, and that's a
> given, but they are the biggest reapers of profit
> from Snort. I just heard
> there is a 90k IDS solution that Sourcefire is or
> will be selling.
>
> This is NO big deal. It's just one small step. If
> people don't really care
> and voice their opinions it will leave the door open
> for further
> restrictions. Remember, baby steps first.
>
> Kindest regards, 
> Michael...
>
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: snort-users-admin () lists sourceforge net
> [mailto:snort-users-
> > admin () lists sourceforge net] On Behalf Of James
> Riden
> > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:44 AM
> > To: 'Snort Users Postings'
> > Subject: Re: [Snort-users] Sourcefire Tactics -
> New Licensing
> > "Peter J Manis" <pmanis () comcast net> writes:
> >
> > > I agree.  This is sad.  Essentially, what is
> happening here is
> > > taking the open out of the opensource.  First
> the rules from
> > > Sourcefire, and now they are trying to take
> Bleeding Snort.  I
> > > understand if Sourcefire is upset about a few
> individuals using
> > > their rules, but what business do they have
> attempting to take
> > > Bleeding Snort under their control?  This is
> clearly a coorporation
> > > hoax to monopolize the development of Snort
> rules, first by
> > > licensing the Sourcefire rules, and now trying
> to get Bleeding Snort
> > > to abide by their licenses!  Next will be Snort
> itself!
> > I suggest you ask for your money back.
> >
> > This is not the end of the world; it's precisely
> what the GPL was
> > designed for. Anyone who wants to fork the current
> sourcecode and
> > rulebase may do so, and do their own development.
> >
> > --
> > James Riden / j.riden () massey ac nz / Systems
> Security Engineer
> > Information Technology Services, Massey
> University, NZ.
> > GPG public key available at:
> http://www.massey.ac.nz/~jriden/
> >
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