Re: Internal Penetration Testing

["Adriel T. Desautels" <ad_lists () netragard com>]

If you question the validity of internal penetration testing then you  
are either not doing it right or you don't understand the subject  
enough to realize its clear benefits.  Internal penetration tests are  
a great way to test the internal technological controls of a company,  
and its resistance to things like Distributed Metastasis.  Do you  
really think that an external penetration test can cover all the  
bases?  If anything, an Internal is far more valuable because it can  
include external scopes.


On Jun 13, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Stephen Mullins wrote:

> I question the validity of "internal pen testing."  After all, as an
> insider you should have access to all manner of information that an
> attacker would not.  If you have the skills to perform a legitimate
> "black box" pen test then you should have no problem doing whatever
> you want as an inside "pen tester" even if you try to play by a
> predetermined set of rules wherein you pretend not to have insider
> knowledge (good luck).  I guess I don't understand the purpose.  If it
> is to demonstrate that having someone with a moderate to high amount
> of skill "go rogue" inside your network is a "bad thing", that just
> seems redundant to me.
>
> The best use for "internal pen testing" in my opinion would be simply
> to see if anyone noticed via your IDS/log management solution/etc.
>
> If nobody is watching then an internal pen test is doubly pointless.
>
> Steve Mullins
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:10 AM, pma111<pmaneedham () hotmail com> wrote:
> > Can anybody recommend any good books, or ideally free online  
> > references to
> > start learning the techniques of internal penetration testing? I.e.  
> > getting
> > onto (access to) network shares, private network drives,  internal  
> > servers,
> > systems, from inside the Network that someone is not authorised to  
> > do? I
> > wont ask for specific pointers just some good online guides so I  
> > can begin
> > to identify the techniques that give rise to the "threat from  
> > within" etc.
> >
> > Regards,
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> >
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