Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

[Pengxiong Zhu <pzhu011 () ucr edu>]

Thank you for your understanding and your patience and kindness to explain
it to us. We really appreciate it.

We will keep that in mind and won’t ask this kind of questions again.

Thanks again.

Pengxiong

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:59 PM Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc> wrote:

> I do understand that you mean well, but do realize that interconnection
> between the rest of the world and the networks controlled by the Chinese
> government is a very, very sensitive and often touchy subject.  It's also
> generally true that networks aren't going to disclose terms of commercial
> relationships on a public mailing list. ( By and large those terms aren't
> likely to be disclosed privately either.  :) )
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:28 PM Pengxiong Zhu <pzhu011 () ucr edu> wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > We got plenty of positive responses in our last email regarding China's
> > slow transnational network. Many are suggesting it is likely influenced by
> > commercial decisions instead of censorship. It seems like the three Chinese
> > ISPs don't really have enough peering internationally in Asia, and they
> > have very strong bargaining power when it comes to peering.
> >
> > Some suggest the cost of moving data to China is way lower if an ISP
> > peers with US/European ISPs than directly with the Chinese ISPs. We assume
> > the reason why those US/European ISPs offer cheaper prices is that they
> > have settlement-free peering with Chinese ISPs. However, the "free-tier"
> > capacity is simply not enough to handle the demand -- the US/European ISPs
> > now have way more traffic going into China, thus saturating the link and
> > causing congestion.
> >
> > So we are wondering, do the Tier-1 US/European ISPs really have
> > settlement-free peering with Chinese ISPs? If we want to do paid peering
> > directly with the Chinese ISPs or purchase the full/partial transit, what
> > is the price range?
> >
> > From the BGP information, we know some of the peers of AS4134 (the
> > biggest one) are:
> > - Telia Carrier(AS1299)
> > - Cogent Communications(AS174)
> > - NTT Communications (America)(AS2914)
> > - Level3(AS3356)
> > - Tata Communications(America) Inc (AS6453)
> > - Verizon Business/UUnet(AS701)
> > - Zayo Bandwidth(AS6461)
> > - AT&T Services, Inc.(AS7018)
> > - GTT Communications Inc.(AS3257)
> > - Comcast Cable Communications, LLC(AS7922)
> >
> > It would be much appreciated if the operators of any such networks can
> > give chime in. Thanks!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Pengxiong Zhu
> > Department of Computer Science and Engineering
> > University of California, Riverside
> --

Best,
Pengxiong Zhu
Department of Computer Science and Engineering
University of California, Riverside