Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality

[Adam Rothschild <asr () latency net>]

I interpreted the FCC press release[*] to apply these provisions to
"broadband access" providers only -- that is to say, not hosters, nor
CDNs.  It will indeed be interesting to see how this works once the
full documentation is released.

FWIW,
-a

[*] http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0226/DOC-332260A1.pdf

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:49 PM, McElearney, Kevin
<Kevin_McElearney () cable comcast com> wrote:
> [Sorry for top-posting]
>
> I actually think you are both right and partially wrong.  It IS the ISPs
> responsibility to provide you with the broadband that was advertised and
> you paid for.  This is also measured today by the FCC through Measuring
> Broadband America.
> http://data.fcc.gov/download/measuring-broadband-america/2014/2014-Fixed-Me
> asuring-Broadband-America-Report.pdf
>
> That said, your ISP is NOT “the Internet” and can’t guarantee “access the
> Internet sites of my choice at X megabits per second."  While ISPs do take
> the phone call for all Internet problems (sometimes not very well), they
> certainly don’t control all levels of the QoE.  ASPs may have server/site
> issues internally, CDNs may purposely throttle downloads (content owners
> contract commits), not all transit ISPs are created equal, TCP distance
> limitations, etc.
>
> What would be interesting is if all these rules/principals and
> transparency requirements were to be applied to all involved in the
> consumer QoE.
>
>         - Kevin
>
> On 2/27/15, 1:34 PM, "Mel Beckman" <mel () beckman org> wrote:
>
> > Bill,
> >
> > This is not feasible. ISPs work by oversubscription, so it's never
> > possible for all (or even 10% of all) customers to simultaneously demand
> > their full bandwidth. If ISPs had to reserve the full bandwidth sold to
> > each customer in order to "do everything reasonably within your power to
> > make sure I can access the Internet sites of my choice at X megabits per
> > second", then broadband connections would cost thousands of dollars per
> > month.
> >
> > Anyone who doesn't understand this fundamental fact of Internet
> > distribution will be unable to engage in reasonable discussion about ISP
> > practices.
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:56 AM, William Herrin
> > <bill () herrin us<mailto:bill () herrin us>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Deceit is Bad Behavior. If you sell me an X megabit per second
> > Internet access service, you should do everything reasonably within
> > your power to make sure I can access the Internet sites of my choice
> > at X megabits per second.