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Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality
From: Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:42:17 -0500
'"Normal" is whatever the user normally tries to do.' That's simply not a realistic definition. There's no way to determine what a consumer will want to do before they sign up for the service. For that matter, it's impossible to determine what a customer will want 2 years after they've signed. Further, its impossible to understand what is normal without spying on your customers. '"Reasonable" is whatever the user is willing to pay for. Any mismatch between the two finds its error in your marketing department.' Reasonable pricing is what the market will bear as always, but what the market will bear versus what customers *expect* often greatly diverge. Anyone who wants to pay for a direct connection to a Tier 1 of their choice with SLAs can do so, but that's not that doesn't happen. 'Seems like a competitive service provider focused on meeting that customer population's needs would do well. Any notion what has prevented that from happening?' They *are *the alternative operator in this market. What's keeping anyone else from doing it better is that it's more expensive than customers will pay to "do it better". Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 -------------------------------- http://twitter.com/kscotthelms -------------------------------- On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:17 PM, William Herrin <bill () herrin us> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com> wrote:The problem is in defining what is "normal" and "reasonable" whencustomersonly know what those mean in regards to their behavior and not the larger customer base nor the behavior of the global network.Hi Scott, "Normal" is whatever the user normally tries to do. "Reasonable" is whatever the user is willing to pay for. Any mismatch between the two finds its error in your marketing department. If your understanding of normal and reasonable radically diverges from this, you've made a mistake. It's exactly as simple as this.I have a customer on the west coast that has a very large Asian immigrant population and a very high percentage of the traffic from this access provider is going to and from Asia. This introduces a lot of variablesthatare far outside of the operator's control, so what's reasonable for this operator to do to ensure "reasonable" speeds when the links to Asia get saturated far upstream of them? They certainly could choose to buy alternative connectivity to that region, but then they'd have to raiseratesand most of the time that extra connectivity isn't needed.So what are they doing? Playing it one-size-fits-all and giving this "very large" customer population no way to get acceptable speed to the portions of the Internet that population wants to reach? Seems like a competitive service provider focused on meeting that customer population's needs would do well. Any notion what has prevented that from happening? Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin ................ herrin () dirtside com bill () herrin us Owner, Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
Current thread:
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality, (continued)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Waites (Feb 28)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mark Tinka (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Helms (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Helms (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Helms (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Tom Taylor (Feb 27)
- Re: utility capacity, was Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality John Levine (Feb 27)
- Re: utility capacity, was Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: utility capacity, was Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mike Hammett (Feb 28)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality McElearney, Kevin (Feb 27)