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Re: ISP customer assignments
From: William Herrin <herrin-nanog () dirtside com>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:32:10 -0400
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 7:41 PM, <Robert.E.VanOrmer () frb gov> wrote:
The address space is daunting in scale as you have noted, but I don't see any lessons learned in address allocation between IPv6 and IPv4.
Robert, I would suggest that some of the lessons we learned are faulty. Maladaptive. CIDR for instance. In a classful world, folks who needed a class A got a class A and were able to announce a class A. They couldn't announce 4200 little divisions of their addresses like Bell South on last Friday's CIDR report. CIDR made today's BGP mess possible. With a larger address space, let's say 128 bits, things *could* have been partitioned in a such a way that there were enough class B's for everyone who needed more than a class C and plenty of class-A's for everyone who needed more than a class B. There's no doubt that CIDR saved the Internet. There -weren't- enough IPv4 class B's for everyone who needed more than a class C. CIDR made it possible to express ranges of class C's as a single route and that's just the start. But CIDR also created today's problems where it isn't possible to tell the difference between a route that represents a unique multihomed endpoint and routes which reflect nothing more than a bad actor making you pay his traffic engineering cost. So now Verizon is in open revolt against ARIN. They positively refuse to carry /48's from legitimately multihomed users. Eff 'em. Perhaps Verizon would sooner see IPv6 go down in flames than see their TCAMs fill up again. Who knows their reasoning? Agree or disagree, it is indeed food for thought. One thing I can say with confidence: as a community we truly haven't grasped the major implications of an address space that isn't scarce coupled with a routing table that is. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William D. Herrin ................ herrin () dirtside com bill () herrin us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
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