Re: The real issue

[Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists () gmail com>]

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Shane Ronan <sronan () fattoc com> wrote:
> No, but they can sure send them a bill and then go after them for
> collections when they don't pay it.

where do you send the bill? For some even large organizations I've
seen bills get shuffled to random places that didn't deal with 'bills'
and then get dropped. Not everyone at these places understands what an
'ip address' or 'number resource' or 'ARIN' is... or what those things
mean to the 'business'.

This really isn't a simple thing, it's really not something that ARIN
can go cowboy up and  fix. (not for lack of trying over the years of
course)

-Chris

> -----Original Message-----
> From: christopher.morrow () gmail com [mailto:christopher.morrow () gmail com]
> On Behalf Of Christopher Morrow
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:34 PM
> To: Shane Ronan
> Cc: nanog list
> Subject: Re: The real issue
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Shane Ronan <sronan () fattoc com> wrote:
> > Very simple, just do it.
>
> This isn't nike...
>
> I'm sorry for being obtuse, but they (arin) can't really do anything.
> I suspect that if they had to prosecute all folks in violation of the
> RSA they would have financial issues... and it wouldn't really solve
> anything long term anyway.
>
> In short, ARIN can't affect routability
>             ARIN can't effectively deal with the contract issues in a
> timely fashion
>
> So.. what are they going to 'just do'?
>
> -Chris
>
> > On Apr 21, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Shane Ronan <sronan () fattoc com>
> wrote:
> > > > It's means one of two things:
> > >
> > > sure, but 'how' exactly?
> > >
> > > > 1) Recoup the unused space for paid reallocation
> > > > or
> > >
> > > arin never (nor do any RIR) guarantee routability, nor do they even a
> > > method to affect routability of a network.
> > >
> > > > 2) Have the current "owner" pay the market rate for the IP space
> > >
> > > ... that's somewhat hard since the current policies don't support
> > > that, and there is no real legal stance for legacy-allocations... For
> > > allocated post-legacy-times ARIN can start court proceedings, but ...
> > > that's a lengthy process and expensive.
> > >
> > > -Chris
> > >
> > > > On Apr 21, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Shane Ronan <sronan () fattoc com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > Is ARIN, who won't even take back large blocks of space from
> people who
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > long ago stopped using it and aren't paying anything for it,
> prepared
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > start filing civil suits against people who were assigned /24's
> (and
> > > > > > paid
> > > > > > for them) due to inaccurate declaration?
> > > > >
> > > > > out of curiousity.. 'take back' means what in this context?
> > >
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