RE: The real issue

["Crooks, Sam" <Sam.Crooks () experian com>]

And exactly how are you determining it is 'unused'?  Not announced to
the internet? (which means virtually nothing as far as 'use' status of
an IP block)

For pete sake, the time has come to resolve the issues that prevent
widespread adoption of IPv6:

 - resolve RIR IPv6 allocation hassles for requesting end-user orgs
 - insist on IPv6-capable hardware/services/engineering staff when
getting new hardware/services/staff
 - work toward retirement of IPv6-incapable hardware/software
 - train staff
 - start PoCs for IPv6 services (ip transit, DNS, etc)
 - start requiring IPv6 capability from ISPs which are slow to move
(Vendor A, V, S, etc) 

Many large organizations use public IP space internally and do not
announce it to the Internet.
Some SPs use public IP space on private MPLS VPN networks to address
links to customers to ensure non-conflicting addresses are used.
Some companies run large extranets to connect to customers and partners.
Many of these use public IP space to ensure services exposed to
customers over these extranets never conflict with IP space used by
customers.


MOVE ON.  Playing net cop does not solve the issue, merely forestalls
it.


-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Ronan [mailto:sronan () fattoc com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:27 PM
To: Christopher Morrow
Cc: nanog list
Subject: Re: The real issue

Very simple, just do it.

On Apr 21, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Shane Ronan <sronan () fattoc com>
> wrote:
> > It's means one of two things:
>
> sure, but 'how' exactly?
>
> > 1) Recoup the unused space for paid reallocation or
>
> arin never (nor do any RIR) guarantee routability, nor do they even a 
> method to affect routability of a network.
>
> > 2) Have the current "owner" pay the market rate for the IP space
>
> ... that's somewhat hard since the current policies don't support 
> that, and there is no real legal stance for legacy-allocations... For 
> allocated post-legacy-times ARIN can start court proceedings, but ...
> that's a lengthy process and expensive.
>
> -Chris
>
> > On Apr 21, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Shane Ronan <sronan () fattoc com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Is ARIN, who won't even take back large blocks of space from people

> > > > who have long ago stopped using it and aren't paying anything for 
> > > > it, prepared to start filing civil suits against people who were 
> > > > assigned /24's (and paid for them) due to inaccurate declaration?
> > >
> > > out of curiousity.. 'take back' means what in this context?
>
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