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Re: SPEWS?
From: Jim Segrave <jes () nl demon net>
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:45:03 +0200
On Thu 20 Jun 2002 (15:51 -0400), Sandy Harris wrote:
Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:33:18 EDT, Sandy Harris <pashley () storm ca> said:If the offending ISP does not respond, and you have exhausted all avenues available to you to get the ISP to get its customer to stop spamming - whether by TOS'ing the customer, education or whatever -... and you've waited a reasonable time ... Then the ISP is obviously either incompetent or deliberately aiding the spammers. Why should you even consider anything less than blacklisting every netblock the ISP has?What do you do if the ISP says "We want to turn them off, but they've managed to get a restraining order preventing us"? We've seen THAT before....Then the part above aboutIf the offending ISP does not respond, ...obviously does not apply. They are responding. You clearly do not even consider blacklisting them. You might ask them for help in blacklisting exactly the spammer's addresses.
All this sounds very nice. But: If the only way to contact SPEWS is via postings in a newsgroup, an ISP may find themselves unable to make any meaningful response (there are issues of customer confidentiality, business considertaions, a whole lot of reasons that an ISP might not wish to discuss the alleged wrongoings of one of its customers, the measures which it has or might take or the details of contractual relationships or legal advice they have received. So all of this is really irrelevant to the topic at hand. An anonymous group using unknown criteria, however well motivated, is not useful. And any mail administrator who uses their lists is, in my opinion, a fool. -- Jim Segrave jes () nl demon net
Current thread:
- RE: SPEWS?, (continued)
- RE: SPEWS? Benjamin P. Grubin (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Sandy Harris (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Steven J. Sobol (Jun 20)
- Re[2]: SPEWS? Richard Welty (Jun 20)
- Re: Re[2]: SPEWS? Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 20)
- Re[2]: SPEWS? Steven J. Sobol (Jun 20)
- Re[3]: SPEWS? Richard Welty (Jun 20)
- Re[3]: SPEWS? Steven J. Sobol (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Sandy Harris (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Jim Segrave (Jun 21)
- Re: SPEWS? Richard A Steenbergen (Jun 21)
- Re: SPEWS? Peter Galbavy (Jun 21)
- Re: attention network operators who are listed in blacklists! your problem is with the blockers, not the blacklist managers! (was: SPEWS?) Greg A. Woods (Jun 21)
- Re: attention network operators who are listed in blacklists! your problem is with the blockers, not the blacklist managers! (was: SPEWS?) Peter Galbavy (Jun 22)
- Re: attention network operators who are listed in blacklists! your problem is with the blockers, not the blacklist managers! (was: SPEWS?) Bruce Campbell (Jun 24)
- Re: SPEWS? Måns Nilsson (Jun 21)
- Re: SPEWS? Jim Mercer (Jun 21)
- Re: SPEWS? up (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Clayton Fiske (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Steven J. Sobol (Jun 20)