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Re: SPEWS?
From: <up () 3 am>
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:39:13 -0400 (EDT)
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Andy Johnson wrote:
I fail to see how blacklisting neighboring subnets (not associated with the organization in question) instead of just the offending one is "in order".Let me clarify, then. If the offending ISP does not respond, and you have exhausted all avenues available to you to get the ISP to get its customer to stop spamming - whether by TOS'ing the customer, education or whatever - then escalation may work if the collateral damage caused by escalation is enough to get the spammers' neighbors to complain to the ISP. And I don't think this is a potential solution only for spam; it is appropriate (IMESHO) in other abusive situations too.Doesn't anyone see the irony here? Fighting abuse with abuse is somewhat counter-productive. SPAM prevents people from reading their email by a) filling up mail server queues b) filling up user mailboxes (and/or quotas) c) increased message count causes more time to be spent hitting delete, than searching for operational or important communications.
BLing isn't "abuse". Anyone has a right to subscribe to any BL they like, as long as both the BL and the subscriber (if it's an ISP) disclose their guidelines to their customers. Of course, for an ISP to subscribe to a capricious, arbitrary or over-zealous BL is likely suicidal for their business. James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up () 3 am http://3.am =========================================================================
Current thread:
- Re[3]: SPEWS?, (continued)
- Re[3]: SPEWS? Steven J. Sobol (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Sandy Harris (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Jim Segrave (Jun 21)
- Re: SPEWS? Richard A Steenbergen (Jun 21)
- Re: SPEWS? Peter Galbavy (Jun 21)
- Re: attention network operators who are listed in blacklists! your problem is with the blockers, not the blacklist managers! (was: SPEWS?) Greg A. Woods (Jun 21)
- Re: attention network operators who are listed in blacklists! your problem is with the blockers, not the blacklist managers! (was: SPEWS?) Peter Galbavy (Jun 22)
- Re: attention network operators who are listed in blacklists! your problem is with the blockers, not the blacklist managers! (was: SPEWS?) Bruce Campbell (Jun 24)
- Re: SPEWS? Måns Nilsson (Jun 21)
- Re: SPEWS? Jim Mercer (Jun 21)
- Re: SPEWS? up (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Clayton Fiske (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Steven J. Sobol (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Chrisy Luke (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? David Lesher (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Chrisy Luke (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Dan Hollis (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Steven J. Sobol (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 20)
- Re: SPEWS? Steven J. Sobol (Jun 20)
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