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Re: ARIN whois
From: Dean Anderson <dean () av8 com>
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:56:56 -0500
I'm all for working with the community. Each time I have, it has turned out that we need to operate relays. Possibly, SMTP AUTH will make unauthenticated relaying unnecessary. I'm still looking into how widely deployed it is on email clients. Its the foolish people who ASSUME that all of the internet is composed of cable modems and the company email server, and the internal company modem bank, all behind a firewall and a VPN who think we don't need to operate relays. Try to take relaying out of sendmail, and see what happens. I'm just foolish enough to tell the junior antispammer league that relaying has a legitimate purpose, and can't be removed. Most other people aren't willing to waste the time with them. I was also foolish enough to think they could think something through without resorting to abusing our servers, and making posts to alt.2600. Yep. I know when I did something wrong. --Dean Around 07:03 PM 11/22/1999 -0500, rumor has it that Greg A. Woods said:
[ On Monday, November 22, 1999 at 17:26:08 (-0500), Dean Anderson wrote: ]Subject: Re: ARIN whois We're up to 80K and rising. 2 big ones. Some smaller ones over 5K. Most the rest are under $500. Unless we can pin them to one or a small group of people. Then all their attacks are summed. A number of small attacks over a short period can then be criminal. This amount interests both lawyers and collections companies.Dean you're being a libellous idiot. When the judge finds out you left your front doors wide open with a big flashing neon sign above them he'll no doubt have a very hard time controlling his laughter; if you can ever get your case that far, that is. The *real* costs are only those associated with closing your relays -- not some inflated price list for services you've invented. If you'd try working *with* the community, instead of against it, you'd be one hell of a lot further along. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098 VE3TCP <gwoods () acm org> <robohack!woods> Planix, Inc. <woods () planix com>; Secrets of the Weird <woods () weird com>
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Current thread:
- Re: ARIN whois, (continued)
- Re: ARIN whois Derek J. Balling (Nov 22)
- Re: ARIN whois Dean Anderson (Nov 22)
- Re: ARIN whois Steve Sobol (Nov 30)
- Re: ARIN whois Dean Anderson (Nov 23)
- Re: ARIN whois David Lesher (Nov 23)
- Stop the anti-spam spam (was ARIN whois) Christopher P. Lindsey (Nov 23)
- Re: Stop the anti-spam spam (was ARIN whois) Randy Bush (Nov 23)
- Re: Stop the anti-spam spam (was ARIN whois) brett watson (Nov 24)
- Re: ARIN whois Dean Anderson (Nov 23)
- Re: ARIN whois Dean Anderson (Nov 23)
- Re: ARIN whois Dean Anderson (Nov 23)
- Re: ARIN whois Greg A. Woods (Nov 23)
- Re: ARIN whois Steve Sobol (Nov 30)
- Re: ARIN whois Dean Anderson (Nov 23)
- Re: ARIN whois Daniel Golding (Nov 23)
- Re: ARIN whois Greg A. Woods (Nov 23)
- RE: ARIN whois Dean Anderson (Nov 23)
- RE: ARIN whois Jeff Harper (Nov 23)
- Re: ARIN whois Dean Anderson (Nov 23)
- Re: ARIN whois Jesse Schachter (Nov 23)
- Re: ARIN whois Dean Anderson (Nov 24)
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