Re: ARIN whois

[Dean Anderson <dean () av8 com>]

We haven't had any criminal acts until a couple weeks ago.

                --Dean

Around 03:57 PM 11/22/1999 -0800, rumor has it that Derek J. Balling said:
> Dean,
>
> Until you actually WIN a criminal case, please go away.
>
> It can interest lawyers all you want, but for the threatening and posturing 
> we've seen from you, I've yet to actually hear from anyone that you've sued 
> them, let alone that you won some money.
>
> D
>
>
> At 05:26 PM 11/22/99 -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:
>
> > We're up to 80K and rising. 2 big ones. Some smaller ones over 5K. Most 
> > the rest are under $500. Unless we can pin them to one or a small group of 
> > people. Then all their attacks are summed. A number of small attacks over 
> > a short period can then be criminal.  This amount interests both lawyers 
> > and collections companies.
> >
> >                 --Dean
> >
> > Around 04:07 PM 11/22/1999 -0600, rumor has it that Joe  Shaw said:
> > > What "legitimate business purposes" necessitate leaving SMTP relays open
> > > to the world?  While I think spammers shouldn't be spamming, I think
> > > you'd find it better to do what you can to stop them from spamming via
> > > means you control, i.e. your servers, as opposed to going through the
> > > FBI.
> > >
> > > The FBI has recently stated that their computer crimes people are entirely
> > > overworked and way behind.  So, while they will look into the matter, my
> > > previous experience with the FBI and computer crime shows a decided lack
> > > of interest in crimes that don't involve a high dollar figure for damages
> > > or stolen goods/services except for the purposes of profiling attacks and
> > > doing trend analysis.  Unless you're looking at a six figure loss, you
> > > probably won't get far.
> > >
> > > Your best bet is to find a solution to restrict access to your relays.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Joseph W. Shaw - jshaw () insync net
> > > Free UNIX advocate - "I hack, therefore I am."
> > >
> > > On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Dean Anderson wrote:
> > >
> > > > These are coming from Mass, Cleveland, Ohio, and Virginia.
> > > >
> > > > We use our relays for legitimate business purposes. They are not 
> > "accidentally left open".
> > > >              --Dean
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