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Re: Lawsuit threat against RBL users
From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer () mhsc com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:25:25 -0800
At 08:26 AM 11/19/98 -0800, Sean Finn wrote:
At 11:39 PM 11/18/98 -0800, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:That's right. It stops the practice of using a sacrificial account, from AOL or netcom, to spam for a web-site that is otherwise protected. Does it make a difference that they didn't spam from their own ISP?Please allow me a moment to ask: Does it make any difference whether your customer actually originated the offending msgs? Couldn't such a spamset come from one of their competitor? Or a chat room hacker that got pissed off? I understand AUP regarding what actually happens on an account. Unless the "throwaway" account can be tied to your customer, then I don't understand the justification for compromising service.
Ah, but there's the problem and Karl D. is right. The *real* answer is to do away with throw-away accounts. Yes, the provider of the throw-away account knows exactly who the spammer is (I won't go any deeper than that), they have a CC number. If that data matches our customer, that customer becomes $1500US poorer and stops being our customer. Tracing a spam to a particular dail-in port is not easy, but it's do-able. You then know who the provider is/was.
(I personally don't find "it's generally true", or "it's too much trouble", or "the end justifies the means" to be especially convincing arguments.)
I don't either. ___________________________________________________ Roeland M.J. Meyer, ISOC (InterNIC RM993) e-mail: <mailto:rmeyer () mhsc com>rmeyer () mhsc com Internet phone: hawk.mhsc.com Personal web pages: <http://www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer>www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer Company web-site: <http://www.mhsc.com/>www.mhsc.com/ ___________________________________________ Who is John Galt? "Atlas Shrugged" - Ayn Rand
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- Re: Lawsuit threat against RBL users Sean Finn (Nov 19)
- Re: Lawsuit threat against RBL users Roeland M.J. Meyer (Nov 19)
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- Re: Lawsuit threat against RBL users Roeland M.J. Meyer (Nov 19)
- Reporting abuse (was Re: Lawsuit threat against RBL users) J.D. Falk (Nov 20)
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